Oldhoopster

The copper plating split and the zinc core is starting to corrode.  

Acetone is an organic solvent.  It won't react with the metal in the coin.  However, the acid in the residue may have already damaged the surfaces but you won't know until you remove it

PVC plasticizer residue, also known as Green slime.

Soak it in acetone (not nail polish remover).  Check the archives for threads if you don't know how to use acetone.

The problem is that one of the decomposition products of the plasticizer is hydrochloric acid, so the coin may already be damaged.  In any case, if you don't remove the residue, the acid will continue to eat away at the coin.  And toss the album

@Paul Mckernan Sr

Sorry, but you managed to start posting while the board is getting hit with troll posts.  Keep a thick skin

True hub doubling is rare.  Even the very minor examples aren't common.  Mechanical and Die deterioration doubling are very common and have no value.  Hub doubling occurs when the die is made, mechanical doubling is just process variability in striking caused by loose equipment, planchet movement, etc.

Here are some links that will give you a good place to learn the differences.  It takes time, but all of us started in the same spot

True hub doubling

https://www.doubleddie.com/58222.html

Worthless doubling

https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html

On 5/23/2022 at 5:02 PM, Paul Mckernan Sr said:

BU 1969S RD ,DDO ,RPM estimated price

Which DDO?  You have a choice of 2

Which RPM? You have a choice of at least 10

What grade? You have a choice of 11 MS grades

Please confirm that your coin has the characteristics of true hub doubling (notching, widening, etc) and not worthless mechanical doubling. Many times, Mechanical doubling will show up on both the date AND mint mark

On 5/23/2022 at 1:06 PM, VKurtB said:

The plastics (plural) used are not among the cheaper ones (at the two top firms). Both need to be free of outgassing that would affect the coin adversely. The inner holder plastic needs to be pliable enough to be flexed enough to get around the coin yet still hold it firmly, all while not outgassing, as nearly all flexible plastics do. The outer plastic needs to nearly instantaneously respond to ultrasonic vibration by melting to create the seal between the front and the back half of the capsule, while not affecting the inner coin holding softer plastic. And the outer shell also needs to accept the scratch resistant treatment used for those who elect that. Just like every part of what @Errorists believes, it is far more complicated than he could ever imagine. 

@VKurtB

Errorists fully understands this.  If you read his responses, it's impossible for someone to be that naive about the world, especially when he keeps doubling down.  Nothing more than a TROLL. 

I know it can be hard, but let's just ignore them (i know, I'm guilty of spending too much time feeding them)

On 5/22/2022 at 7:07 PM, Errorists said:

Are you for real less then a half ounce of plastic is more then 10 bucks?

Are you for real?  Do you have any clue on how business and manufacturing work?  

Your responses are doing nothing but lowering your credibility and validity.  

Looks like an ancient Roman provincial, since the inscription uses Greek letters. The portrait and inscription indicate it might be Antoninius Pius but I don't have access to my references to give it a positive ID as to the specific province (plus Roman provincials always give me trouble)

Absolutely fake.

On 5/22/2022 at 11:02 AM, Errorists said:

Coin shows should be a place where you can go view coins and buy some if you want and have fun. It is no longer fun when you have to pay more then the regular price for your coins being graded. In fact it would be fun if they had discounted prices for such coin shows. Because of these higher rates I will not be going this year to the fun show because it is no longer any fun..

So you're just wishing 

On 5/22/2022 at 7:34 AM, Errorists said:

Should be 10 dollars per coin at shows.

@errorist

Why do you feel grading should be cheaper at shows?  Any logical thought behind this, or are you just wishing?

It's not a coin. Possibly some sort of decorative piece from the Belgium (the pics are tourist locations in Belgium)

Nickels are made from an alloy containing 75% Copper and only 25% nickel.  When exposed to certain environmental conditions, the copper can stain and discolor.  Sorry, but not an error.

On 5/21/2022 at 5:51 PM, Errorists said:

Should be cheaper at all shows.

Only for minor errors with catchy, over-hyped names.

On 5/18/2022 at 9:42 AM, Errorists said:

I guess your right. PF-70s and MS-70s are still flawed..

The ANA says MS-70 is the perfect coin.  They say nothing about about die defects.  So this falls into a gray area.  Technically if it meets all of the other criteria, it could called MS-70, but IMO, the minor cracks, and die defects are flaws. 

I believe many non error collectors feel the same way and be hesitant to pay high MS-70 premiums for modern coins with die defects when they can but a perfect coin. Maybe an error specialist would make the stretch, but in general, I believe coins like this would be discounted from the perfect MS-70 market values.

It's all about what's market acceptable, not acceptable on a technicality. 

On 5/17/2022 at 9:47 PM, Errorists said:

Now a coin expert is telling me it's a rare hubbed in debris error. Could be. Those errors look similar to die gouges too.

It looks like it could possibly be a hubbed in debris.  While this is a more unusual error, rare doesn't necessarily equal value.  Other than a catchy name to hype it, there isn't a lot of wow factor.

Which expert are you talking to?  Weinberg? Byers? Sullivan? Diamond?

From error reference

https://www.error-ref.com/hubbed-in-debris/

For a true serial number date it should read 17560922, so you have that working against you

Honestly, finding someone who is interested in a very esoteric serial number and willing to pay premium is going to be a huge challenge. You might have better luck spending it on the lotto. 

@errorist

Information on defining a variety.  This is from the NGC site (the very same you're using on a regular basis).  Sometimes doing a little research can help you gain a better understanding and your questions will be more focused.

https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/what-is-a-variety/

Regarding "which billionaires collect errors"?  Many/most wealthy people tend to keep their private lives private unless the are the attention seekers (and most billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by seeking attention).  Which billionaires are coin collectors?  Which billionaires are art collectors?  Which billionaires are antiquities collectors?  I don't think you're going to find any of that floating around the internet or Forbes 500 Wealthiest Americans issue

On 5/15/2022 at 12:59 PM, VKurtB said:

I wish you the best in your search for more as of yet unfound documentation. Suffice it to say I don’t share your optimism. The law only ever TRIES to use the “best evidence available” and does not abandon fact finding when sub-optimal evidence is all that exists. In numismatics, we have to always be willing, if we need to, to base fact finding on the “best available evidence, which can be, on occasion, expert eyeballs. 

Your quote from above

we have to always be willing, if we need to, to base fact finding on the “best available evidence, which can be, on occasion, expert eyeballs

If the best data are expert eyeballs, so be it, but we still need to expand the body of knowledge.  Each discovery and each bit from contemporary correspondence are new puzzle pieces that were lost/hidden from us. Keep putting together the new pieces and we all learn more.  Sometimes, the data leads us down the wrong path, but many times that's due to biases.  More puzzle pieces = higher probability of understanding the picture

Sorry, to derail this thread, but I couldn't let this go unchallenged, especially when the post offered nothing of substance to the discussion of the 1927 special strikes (It was nothing more than a slam to satisfy a personal vendetta against another member). Compiling and documenting data is good for the hobby.  It builds the body of knowledge and can help us learn and grow.

On 5/14/2022 at 7:22 PM, VKurtB said:

They sho’ nuff are purrrdy. Now comes the real controversy. Does the apparent destruction of records in the 1979-80 range make the coins “cease to exist”, as “Burdettian” thought processes require? Or do the coins truly “stand on their own” or “speak for themselves” as 1964 special coins are not allowed to? Sorry, but I just have to tweak noses over the fixation on documents. Am I enjoying being sarcastic about this? More than you could ever know. 

Absolutely worthless comment on the value of documentation. 

You know better than to post stuff like this, unless you're just trying to denigrate other members.  Comparing these coins to the 64 SMS is apples to oranges, and if you don't know that, then I've been giving you too much credit as a numismatist.

Everybody knows that you have don't like the way Roger does research.  However you seem to be in the minority.  Research adds to the body of knowledge. Good research helps everyone and bad research eventually gets weeded out (i.e. some of Brown's contributions).  

If you're want to add to this thread, great.  But if you just want to take pot shots at another member, you're just wasting bandwidth.

Notice how the seller calls this a "Liberty Round" not a dollar.  Seems to me like they knew it was fake but were trying to pass it off on an unsuspecting new collector.  Regardless, that still doesn't absolve them from the requirements of the Hobby Protection Act.  

You should immediately contact the seller to get your money back

If you are going to search for doubled dies, you really should spend some time studying the different characteristics of true hub doubling (not many in circulation) and mechanical/die deterioration doubling (lots and lots in circulation) which are worthless.  It will save you from wasting time.

https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html

https://www.doubleddie.com/58222.html

https://www.doubleddie.com/58201.html

It doesn't look like NGC attributes this variety.  Since they don't attribute it, I would expect any premium to be minor at best.  You can always check the eBay sold listings to see if collectors have an interest.

https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/