Oldhoopster

It seems to match the characteristics for a Henning.

If you study the minting and die making process, you'll know it can't be a mint error.

On 4/17/2022 at 8:36 PM, VKurtB said:

You mean you don’t just randomly ask people questions on a discussion board? LOL!

I didn't have this library when I started collecting.  In the 70s and 80s reference books were hard to find, so If it wasn't in the redbook, it was a mystery.  I can remember asking lots of questions at the local coin club.  It's a lot simpler now that people can access knowledgeable collectors on a daily basis instead of waiting until the first Monday of the month for the club meeting.

On 4/2/2022 at 9:04 PM, tj96 said:

Those individuals have been challenged and wrong before.  Just because they write books and articles doesn't mean they're perfect.  Trust me, there's a political angle and professional competition in everything they do in this industry.

I know.

I think I'll trust the editors of error-ref (Weinberg, Byers, Sullivan, et al,) to be right a lot more than being wrong.

Do you really believe they write to appease the numismatic political element at the expense of accuracy? If I did that in my field of study, I would quickly lose all credibility (as some have done)

On 4/16/2022 at 10:39 AM, Anthony420 said:

Ok so I'm confused on how you can tell if it's a ddo or md could you explain that to me I'm completely new to varietys and errors 

Another good explanation of MD and the characteristics of true doubling.  

https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html

Https://www.doubleddie.com/58222.html

Agree with @Greenstang  heavily polished die

On 4/12/2022 at 10:30 PM, Errorists said:

Where did I argue collectors like small die cracks? 

Right here.  How else can you interpret it?  I even asked twice if that's what you meant, and you kept blowing smoke instead of answering.

On 4/12/2022 at 5:33 PM, Errorists said:

The smaller early stage  Scarface die cracked morgan is worth more then the larger late stage Scarface Morgan. So don't deminish minor..

You said not to "diminish minor cracks" because the early die state Scarface VAM is worth more than the late state. This sounds like you believe the VAM collectors are primarily interested in the die crack and not something else

So I'll ask the questions again (hopefully with a little more clarity)

1. Based on your previous comment, do you believe the size of the die crack is the reason why the early die state is more desirable and valuable than the later die state?

2. Why?

If you're going to make contrarian statements regarding minor errors, you need to provide some justification.  Maybe it's right or maybe it's wrong, but at least the board can have a legitimate discussion.  Throwing out random statements is just a waste of bandwidth

@VKurtB I'm believing you more and more regarding new collectors.  Next time, remind me to quit wasting my time on people who have no desire to learn 

On 4/12/2022 at 5:33 PM, Errorists said:

The smaller early stage  Scarface die cracked morgan is worth more then the larger late stage Scarface Morgan. So don't deminish minor..

So you're saying that VAM collectors prefer the earlier die state because it has a minor crack and have less interest in the larger crack.  Why? Do you really believe they think a minor crack is highly desirable?

I'm beginning to think you're just an alt user trying to troll the board and that I wasted my time trying to help you.  It won't happen again.  And if I'm mistaken and you really are a newbie, I think you're squandering a wonderful opportunity to learn from some top shelf numismatic researchers and experienced collectors that are members here.  Hopefully you haven't alienated them as well.  Best if luck moving forward

Yes, and some VAM varieties use those cracks to identify a specific die and the sequence Morgan dies were used.  Did you not read the earlier explanations?

Here is a link for the current VAM listings.  Please take the time to read through it.  This should help you understand why some die cracks warrant their own VAM while most do not and are only used to track die states.  You really need to understand this if you're going to insist that minor die breaks on state quarters are equivalent.  

www.vamworld.com/wiki/Home 

For the common plating bubbles and blisters, it's usually poorly cleaned zinc blanks or dirty/contaminated plating solution.  Bubbles and blisters aren't considered errors and have no value.  

Missing plating errors are uncommon and very hard to find if you're searching rolls/pocket change.  They can be caused by hiccups in the manufacturing process (electrical, chemical, operator error, etc)

BTW: if you do a little digging on the net, you can find ways to remove the plating on cents.  The plating is nominally only 8 microns thick (0.0003")

On 4/12/2022 at 3:50 PM, Errorists said:

Vams should be across all coinage.

If you do a little research instead of trying to figure out cute, irrelevant names for common minor errors, you'll find out that many series do have the equivalent of VAM varieties. 

Large cents use Sheldon and Newcomb numbers, colonials use Miller, Ryder and others, early half dimes have Logan/McCloskey and Valentine, Mint varieties have the Fivaz and Stanton Cherry Pickers Guide, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Your original thought was correct.  It's abraded after it left the mint.  Notice how the plating is only missing on the high points but the slightly recessed areas of the adjacent hair is plated

Copper plating is an electrochemical process.  Incomplete plating nonconformances from contaminated/unclean planchets and/or process variability aren't limited to the extreme high points.  In fact, that would be incredibly unusual.

Also, I bet if you look real close, you can see scratches on the exposed zinc.

On 4/12/2022 at 8:04 AM, Errorists said:

How old do coins have to be to be considered a VAM?

On 4/12/2022 at 10:36 AM, Errorists said:

Hum doesn't seem fair.. 

On 4/12/2022 at 12:43 PM, Errorists said:

Lots of VAM collectors disagree with your insignificant die crack remarks.

Disagree.  Many VAM die cracks are minor.  HOWEVER, the numismatic researchers and VAM collectors use these cracks to determine die stages, die pair sequence/progression, estimated die life, etc.

Unless you plan on doing some  die studies for numismatic scholarship, trying to compare VAM die crack data to a random minor die crack on a state quarter is like comparing apples to oranges IMO.  You need to first understand what the data/info is used for before comparing it to other areas.

Instead of coin dealer, maybe a better term would be Coin Salesman/Salesperson.  That might be more in line with the knowledge level of some of these people.

"Cute" names for common errors are a huge detriment to the hobby in my opinion. They are used to fool new collectors into thinking that they are something rare and valuable. Look at the following

Spitting eagle = minor die clash

Spitting horse = minor die crack

IN GOD WE _RUST = minor filled die

None of these minor errors are worth a premium, but because they've been hyped by YouTube hacks, new collectors are wasting their money buying them on eBay. Why?  Because a cute name makes them think its special and that doesn't help new collectors

IMO, there is no need to come up with fancy names unless you want to take advantage of new collectors

BTW: a cracked die on a proof coin is a nice find and much more uncommon than business strikes

NO!!!

Difficult to determine from those pics.  Is it magnetic?  The weight and dimensions are very import measures as well

Simple Die crack

I would be very hesitant in trusting the opinion of the person at the coin shop.  Their answer indicates they know very little about the basic minting process.  What else don't they know

It doesn't seem to go through the high points of the S, so I'm think more of a die gouge than a crack

Even with the damage, you can easily see that the 3 doesn't come close to matching the 3 on an authentic 1943 steel cent

You have a beat up 1948-D cent.  Not worth saving IMO