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On 6/6/2022 at 7:32 PM, Hesham Mansour said:

Ok, can you tell me guys about this One too of it’s real or fake 

 

Did you read the posts that people took the time to write?  Look at post 2,3, and 8.

On 6/6/2022 at 4:32 PM, Hesham Mansour said:

Please till me, What make you sure that they are fake??  I mean Is there any signs??

As I posted previously, your should compare them to authentic examples.  Compare your 1794 dollar to this one. 

Sorry, but both coins are fake. Compare them to authentic, graded coins and the difference will be obvious

Just a circulated nickel with a little PMD and environmental damage.

On 6/2/2022 at 12:17 AM, Just Bob said:

These are the figures given in the Coin World Almanac and on the website Sprucecrafts.

These are the figures given in the Redbook.

 

I wonder why there is a difference. 

I have the sprucecraft site bookmarked for weights, tolerances, and comps.  I checked and the Redbook does give the different composition.  Coin World Almanac and Redbook are both credible, so I'm at a loss as well

Locked in the dark and far off corner of my mind, I seem to remember that @DWLange my have been associated with the CW Almanac or maybe it was @CaptHenway

Or somebody else

On 6/1/2022 at 7:44 PM, Errorists said:

NGC encapsulate them?

You could always contact them. This was pretty easy to find on the home page.

https://www.ngccoin.com/contact/

Looks like a finned rim that was folded over. 

Significant damage

On 6/1/2022 at 2:43 PM, BearlyHereBear said:

I wasn't trying to troll, just stimulate a discussion.  I hope we all gained some thoughtful insight.

I think it would have been more insightful if you would have just posted a straight up question instead of adding an April fools joke that's been reposted on the various forums over the past year or two.  IMO, it did nothing but reduce the credibility of the post.  Look at how @MrBill348was inadvertently sucked into it.  Just my opinion

On 5/31/2022 at 5:08 PM, $tarCollector said:

What I seem to notice is a copper edge on the 1969 Kennedy Half, when it should be COMPLETELY silver-colored on the edge.

The 65-70 Kennedy halves are made from a 3 layer clad "sandwich".  The outer layers are 80% silver and 20% copper while the core is 21.5% silver and 78.5% copper

Although it's not as pronounced has the later base metal clad composition, it's not unusual to see the differentiation of the layers, particularly on circulated coins.

Small D??

The Denver mint used a single mint mark style from 1964-1979 (MMS-008).  All the 1977 D mm are the same size.

Do you have any references, or is this just wild speculation?

Mechanical doubling (also called strike and machine doubling).  Not a true doubled die and no added value

You're correct. It's a cast fake

Environmental Damage.  The edges of improperly annealed coins look normal due to being struck and ejected from a collar.  Yours has the same color throughout

On 5/28/2022 at 9:12 PM, VKurtB said:

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So, whadya say? If I decide to publish American Cynic magazine, can I count on your subscription?

Subscribe??? I want to be a feature writer.

On 5/28/2022 at 7:16 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

........... I have long maintained some members enjoy unconditional immunity. ............

NOBODY should enjoy unconditional immunity.  You are only as good as the content of your posts.  If you disagree, speak up.  Post your references to support your point.  If you have documentation and/or data others can make an informed decision to agree or disagree.  

I agree with a lot of what V. Kurt says and respect what he's given back to the hobby, but I have no problem calling him out if I disagree and feel I can support my opinion.

On 5/28/2022 at 1:15 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

I am prepared to go much much further than you on this [and that's why I feel you would be a good advocate for a hobby that no one wants to acknowledge is hemorrhaging members continually].

The legal profession recognizes and accepts pro bono representation by lawyers on behalf of their firms. In the medical profession, a patient can seek a second opinion. I don't know what it costs to throw a convention or even how much it costs a penny lady to ride circuit, but I don't see the coin profession, as viewed from the street, as doing anything charitable to drum up business. If one venerable member of note, can laudably,  donate his time and services and volunteer to do grunt work to keep the juggernaut running, I don't see why retired graders cannot donate their time and services, too. Money isn't everything and in the end you cannot take it with you. Perhaps our colleague Errorist isn't presenting the matter with the sense of urgency it deserves. Are we, as a serious hobby doing all we can to attract new members while holding onto the ones we have? If not, what could be done better? I probably won't be around by then, but I can only hope NGC sees the light and distinguishes itself by trying a different tack. How about a 50th anniversary celebration with conventions sponsored by any number of heavily-endowed foundations featuring authentication and grading for at least young numismatists at founding year's prices? Don't allow yourselves to be swallowed up by the naysayers. Be positive! How can things be done differently? If a corner soup kitchen can foot the bills of daily meals via funds drawn on a late benefactors will or trust, maybe that's an idea whose time has come for coins. I would have no trouble contributing a modest sum in support of such a fund. If I win a Powerball, look out NGC! ALL CUSTOMERS WILL BE TREATED LIKE LONG-TIME FRIENDS AND GUESTS. Maybe we will come to you like Publisher's Clearinghouse does. All food for thought. What's needed is new blood and new ways of thinking.

Grader and TPG staff do provide pro bono work.  Mr Lange posts regularly on this site.  @Insider is active on some of the forums.  I've seen posts from the NGC ancient coin authenticators on the ancient forums. Fred Weinberg, recently retired error dealer and PCGS consultant offers great advice on various forums.  And they don't charge for it

On 5/28/2022 at 1:22 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

So complicated that they can be routinely  cracked open.

But complicated enough so that when they are cracked open, the tampering is evident.  

On 5/27/2022 at 10:26 PM, VKurtB said:

Heat is Brownian motion. There are several ways to get it. Ultrasonic vibration is the source for the plastics used in coin slabs. 

Brownian motion is the random movement of atoms.  It has nothing to do with ultrasonic sealing.

High frequency sound waves are the energy source responsible for the increased vibration of the molecules in the thermoplastic, not changes to random motion

https://www.nexpcb.com/blog/the-basics-of-ultrasonic-welding-technology#:~:text=Ultrasonic Welding Technology uses high-frequency vibrations (ultrasonic) to,waves vibrate 10's of thousands of times per-second.

On 5/26/2022 at 4:40 PM, Origami Master said:

Do you know if it's worth anything more than a penny?

 

Minor filled die errors are one of the more common errors you'll find.  You would have a difficult time finding someone who would be interested in purchasing it

Nice find however, and there is nothing wrong with keeping it if you like it.

Hard to tell from the pics but it looks like mechanical doubling

No 70-S LD/SD cents exist.  It's highly unlikely that with the decades of searching for small dates, a discovery like this was missed

The copper plating was Breached/damaged and the underlying zinc is corroding.