Oldhoopster

Looks like a cast fake

On 7/31/2022 at 5:50 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

 

You wrote

To Moderation, if it pleases the gentleman I have the utmost regard for, from ever uttering his name on the Forum again, his wish (and yours) is my command. Q.A.

It's about time.  Nothing like a semi-sarcastic comment to endear yourself to the moderators.

Go ahead and respond directly to my comments.  But I'm still wondering why you feel the need to keep tagging me in unrelated conversations?  You never provided an answer in your previous soliloquy. Did you feel that it was imperative that I read your comment regarding incorrect word usage in old posts?  If so, why?  Or are you just trying to stir the pot and cause trouble?

On 7/31/2022 at 12:18 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

[This has been gnawing away at my brain now for four months. Sources, regardless of attempts at wordsmithing--and @Oldhoopster may correct me if I am wrong, are usually referred to as unimpeachable.  Now, if the source was dressed impeccably, that's an entirely different matter. So sayeth Quintus...]

That would be a great post....if this was a lexicography forum.  Last I checked this was still a numismatic forum.

I think if your pulling up 4 month old threads about a coin show that is long since over because the word usage bothers you, you have more to worry about than whether another member corrects you.  

One last thing.  Can you explain why you felt the need to tag me in old thread in which I've never responded?  Is there a purpose, or are you just trying to stir things up?  I seem to recall that you specifically commented that the mods had you on a short leash. 

On 7/30/2022 at 6:43 PM, Clay1492 said:

What if it is not all that complicated. Could someone somewhere along the line, have flipped a canadian penny into a vat of planchets? I did not originally post any pictures of the edge of the coin because I didn't expect controversy, but with the coin in hand  it is evident that it was at one time multi sided. told my wife that said mint employee, if still alive, has Probably been wondering all these years when and if his coin might turn up somewhere. That being said, I did not intend to stir this pot. The info has been informative and appreciated. I will send it upstairs for confirmation one way or another and repost it when it is returned. At that point i will admit my error and take my lashes, or gloat for a day or two. Thanks to all participants.

Do they even allow mint employees to bring loose change onto the production floor?  Anybody know for certain?

I can see the conversation with security, "honestly, I had a pocket full of 2022 quarters when I came in this morning".  Seems like a bad idea.

I think sending it in is a waste of $65+, but it's your money and your decision.  Personally, I think you would have better luck buying lottery tickets

On 7/30/2022 at 2:33 PM, Coinbuf said:

While your point is very valid and true, there have been many examples of moonlight minting shenanigans done by mint employees.   One that comes to mind quickly is the clover leaf (dimes if I remember correctly) that were struck with Ike dollar dies.   There was a recent thread on one or two of these on the PCGS forum.   For that to happen the three coins had to be placed into the press, one strike, then removed and as you noted then smuggled out of the mint.   As I'm sure you are aware there are other examples of this type of fake errors that have been created and sold to the less scrupulous dealers that have the connections to acquire these illegally produced coins.

That said I am in agreement that the op is suffering from severe pareidolia and the op's coin is nothing more than a stained, circulated Lincoln cent.

Yes. Quite a few of these spectacular errors came out of the San Francisco mint in the early 70s.  A large number were found in an abandoned safety deposit box and were auctioned by the state of CA after getting approval from the Secret Service (I believe they were purchased by Fred Weinberg). 

That had to have been an organized effort over many years and they also had access to the proof presses.  I don't know for certain, but it seems it would be much easier to pull off these shenanigans on a low throughput proof press than on a production press.

On 7/30/2022 at 11:26 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

@Oldhoopster:

I can't believe you buttressed your argument with that "picture is worth a thousand words" copper waterfall!  

People forget that the mint is a high speed, high volume manufacturing facility.  They strike multiple coins per second!  That copper waterfall are the cents going from the presses to the totes.  

So how are you going to load a Canadian cent into the front end of the press and then retrieve it?  You're not going to shut down the press, because everyone will know.  Downtime, throughput, yields, etc are all monitored and tracked and supervisors have instant access to that data.  And that's why its difficult just to make the error surreptitiously, then you have to get it out of the facility through mint security.  Good luck

Just a stained cent

Sorry, but it looks like a stained US cent. Environmental Damage.

Sorry, but it is badly damaged.  Something like this cannot come from the minting or die making process

It was originally in an encased cent or lucky penny holder and then removed.  Not a mint error

On 7/25/2022 at 10:40 AM, EagleRJO said:

@Mr.Bill347Just curious how you found that, because I have some older world coins I need to eventually go through?  Did you recognize the type of coin in general and then looked it up?  Or did you do a visual google search and then drill down from there?

For many of us old guys, it just comes down to looking at a whole lot of coins over the decades.  You may have looked up something similar in the past, or remember seeing it in Krause or another reference. 

You would be surprised how many times I would be looking for something in Krause and stumble onto to something Else that I remembered was in my "to be identified" pile.  That's why I prefer books to internet searches.  You just miss out on a lot of things that can pay you back later.

I consider myself pretty good at identifing most stuff from about 1600 on except the early Pieces from pre colonial India.  But I was at a loss for the coin in the OP.  Well done @Mr.Bill347

So look at lots of different coins whenever possible.  It will help your identification skills, it will help you grading skills, and it will help your counterfeit detection skills.

Sorry but it's a tourist copy.  Probably cast. 

It's very difficult to take coins and artifacts from Turkey without the proper paperwork, but since these are fake, the seller won't get in trouble with the authorities.  

Your coin is 2004, not 2000.   Goodacre dollars were struck with special dies and planchets giving them a burnished appearance.  There was nothing specific about the edge.

Mechanical doubling is not true doubling and will not be attributed as a DDO.  Wexler, on his doubled die site calls it "worthless doubling".

On 7/20/2022 at 12:22 PM, zadok said:

...does that apply to marriage as well?....

I have a few Canadian coins graded by ICCS and IMO, the grading is similar to other TPGs in the 90s (when I got the coins). As Kurt said, ICCS has been a reputable grader of Canadian coins.  

On 7/20/2022 at 7:34 AM, RWB said:

 

 

 

Do you think these would qualify for an Early Strike/First Day of Issue or some other fancy label on a slab? 

That was an interesting thread.  I wasn't aware of dinner or presentation of newly minted coins, so it's always nice to learn something new. 

So how does a dinner for a mint director to mark the release of the Franklin half relate to Saudi Gold?  I can't even begin to connect the dots.

On 7/20/2022 at 9:33 AM, SamuelBraswell said:

Wow, so cool.  I'm curious, has that certificate been helpful for you, or coins are rather hobby for you, not a profession?

I've never heard about that diploma program. After my college graduation I want to focus on my hobby more, and complete some courses. Now I have time only to read something intreresting

I found the course useful and interesting.  I knew a lot of the material, so it was more of a reinforcement rather than learning new things  but I also believe that you need to stay on top of your knowledge so you don't forget the info.  If I recall correctly, the info was geared more towards the intermediate/advanced collector.  Definitely not newbie stuff

On 7/19/2022 at 7:16 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

You would have thought that one of the deep-pocketed coin collectors over the last 40 years would have set up a foundation to fund such research and also aware prize money at the big conventions and trade shows (like FUN).

Good way to also keep your name alive in perpetuity. 

I thought  the same thing, hence my comment about the possibility of a TPG or auction house sponsoring something like this (to clarify with @RWB, my comment was for them to sponsor the research, not do the actual work.  Lots of starving researchers who will work for grant money).  But they are the ones who decide what areas to best utilize their resources.