Oldhoopster

On 9/20/2022 at 8:10 PM, Origami Master said:

you mean put it in a 2x2 cardboard holder?

Yeah, I think its a keeper even if the value is low due to the corrosion. Just my opinion others may feel differently

I agree with @Sandon  The dealer should have said that demand may increase over time for a variety of reasons, but to say that they will increase in rarity is incorrect

To bad about the corrosion, but I would put it in a 2x2.

On 9/20/2022 at 10:11 AM, Selfmade1313 said:

I am a material scientist. The yellow is not residue. Any of you actually know anything about the J2020 and middle relief pieces? They are still being discovered today.  Thanks for your opinions but I think you need to go back and read the coinweek article on mid reliefs still being found. 

If acetone didn't work did you try xylene?  Maybe a longer soak?  

The brown residue looks like old tape residue that I've encountered as well as can found in the archives. There are some other materials and chemists on this site

I don't know if you would consider that he may actually know something but instead if rereading the coinweek article, have you looked the book on Peace Dollars written by @RWB?  That may be helpful

On 9/20/2022 at 11:17 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

@Oldhoopster:

I am going to preface my remark by saying you will undubitably find it to be annoying and/or offensive. Ready? Here goes...

The reference to Greenland, and the topic heading, are what print journalists refer to as "the hook," a wholly gratuitous device employed to hook a reader, and reel him in. Apparently, the hook worked! Then, having achieved my objective, I very deftly moved on to the main course, what I termed, and I quote: the "Real Topic," capitalized, as hereinabove set forth, before formally introducing two terms, verdigris and patina, which I maintain I haven't seen used in some time.

Now, your experience differs from mine. I am inclined to pay credence to what you say, not because I am a functional illiterate, but because you are evidently well-read--and "get out more."

Your mercurial temperament, and the pointed advisories I have previously received from top management, prohibit me from saying a word more.

I didn't say anything adversarial in my post.  I just added information based on my experience that could by of use to you and other members regarding this topic. IMO, there is nothing wrong with having a preferred chat board that you use frquently, but I feel one should also utilize all of the other sources to learn and grow as well. I regularly frequent 4 other sites besides NGC. Each has its own take on things, 

The Greenland comment was to get clarification, which you provided

On 9/20/2022 at 8:59 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

The topic, above, is Greenlandic for "the northern most island," or land mass in the world.

But I digress.  The Real Topic is:  verdigris, a word that has apparently vanished from the everyday terms used by numismatists.  So what exactly is verdigris?

One source consulted describes it as a "green or bluish deposit, usually of copper carbonates that forms on copper, brass, or bronze surfaces." The same source suggests "soaking in lemon juice" followed by wiping with a clean towel, as a remedy [for this form of PMD]. Is this the reason why verdigris has vanished from the numismatic lexicon?

Another term that has apparently fallen into disuse, is "patina." Anyone know why? Enquiring minds want to know...

You need to get out more

I see patina used regularly on the chat boards and verdigris is somewhat regularly especially when discussing ancients or early us copper

There is a numismatist/chemist who makes a product called Verdi care or VerdiGone that has been favorably discussed elsewhere. He frequents other boards. I believe you can get this product through the coin supply sellers

How does any of this pertain to Greenland?  Do you have a coin from there that you have questions regarding the patina or verdigris?  If so, pics help

On 9/19/2022 at 11:21 PM, VeRock said:

Is this 1965 penny with the L on the edge worth third party grading and encapsulation?  

No. It's damaged and cleaned. You'll be spending approx $60 on grading and shipping fees for a coin that's worth face value

Acetone (not nail polish remover) will remove the tape residue but not the toning. They are damaged and the value is nothing more than  common circulated silver dollars.  IMO not worth the effort to mess with.  They will always have the tape stripe and anything removing the toning will be easily be recognized as harsh cleaning 

Nothing wrong with keeping it since it's due to a heavily polished die, as long as you're aware of the value (or lack thereof).  As you search for errors and varieties, most of what you find are going to fall into the low/no value category.  However, if you find them interesting, they can make a nice collection.  If you're looking to make a big score, then I recommend lottery tickets.  You'll get better odds.

On 9/18/2022 at 9:05 AM, Galo Collection said:

I don't care about 20 francs varieties.

And that's how most collectors feel about Brazilian varieties. If enough collectors become interested, then the grading services will attribute them. Until then, you're out of luck

To be clear, I'm not disparaging your interest in Brazilian varieties.  The great thing about this hobby is you can collect whatever you want.  I do have an issue with some of your misguided statements regarding NGC being lazy by not attributing your varieties.  You obviously don't understand the working process and economics of the TPGs

On 9/16/2022 at 5:21 PM, Galo Collection said:

what I'm looking for is consensus, NGC has in its collection the “Brazilian coin book” if I pay for “plus variety” and put the coin number and variety on the invoice, just open the book and assign it.  It's great.

Please read Mr Lange's post again.  Based on what he wrote, it appears that in order to assign it a grade, the specific variety would have to be in their database.  I believe each coin type and variety is assigned a specific identification number that are used for the labels and bar codes.  

It isn't so simple as to pull out a book and reference a variety.  If it isn't in the database, the information can't be properly stored and maintained by NGC, nor can a label and barcode be printed. 

As Mr. Lange stated, there isn't enough interest to warrant building that database for Brazilian varieties.  IMO, that's not being lazy, as you stated a few times

On 9/14/2022 at 10:16 AM, RWB said:

I checked with a local restaurant. They said they were not having server problems but that busboys were hard to find....Wonder if NGC has too many busboys?

My advice - Don't give up your day job for a career in comedy 💣

On 9/13/2022 at 8:29 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

[Some showboating and grandstanding noted as well as an admission of stalking. "Ever since he's been reinstated." Well, I never! Who is "taunting the moderators"? I am simply stating a fact! I never, not once, said I am "in trouble with admins." Only "moi" can see the warning ⚠️ points. I am, figuratively speaking, on a short leash. Now are you quite ready to move on and talk about coins? Heaven's to Betsy!] 

Are you ready to talk about coins?  

There have been at least 5-6 times since your reinstatement where I have SPECIFICALLY asked that you STOP referring either directly or indirectly to me as a member who is telling you what you can and cannot say, asking for permission to post, and/or responsible for an underground group trying to get you banned.  It is insulting, especially coming from someone with your credibility and demonstrated numismatic knowledge. 

ALL of these requests were non-confrontational and professional.

Why did you feel it was need to ignore them?  Do you think that showboating and grandstanding (your terms), helps answer questions from new members?  Does showboating and grandstanding help explain errors and the minting process?  Does showboating and grandstanding help disseminate new discovers and historical information?  Or do you have such low regard for this forum and its members that you enjoy stirring up trouble? 

FYI. In all the years on a variety of forums, I have never put someone on ignore. It's not starting now.

Had that once yesterday.  Seems that the site has been slow and lagging most of the day, but nothing too bad

Agree with the others.  I don't believe your coin toned naturally.

On 9/12/2022 at 9:43 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

@Oldhoopster:

My alter-ego, Ricky the Rooster 🐓, wishes to know why you don't simply block ["ignore] Q.A., and be done with him, once and for all? I am certain other enquiring minds would like to know as well?

Because I don't enjoy being insulted and accused of nonsense by someone who seems to enjoy doing nothing more than stirring up trouble and this has been happening for a while. The only reason  I don't call out the majority of your nonsense is I prefer to remain a member here and not taunt admin (your specialty, it seems)

Can you point out any posts where you've actually posted some quality numismatic information or provided useful help to new collectors?  Many of your posts seem to have some bizarre and immature "member worship" or conspiracy theory attached.  WHY?  Are you trying to be the board clown?  If so, your succeeding beyond all expectations.  I'm challenging you to be a numismatist and not the board clown but  I have my doubts. Members are laughing at you, not with you

I enjoy this board, and enjoy trying to help new collectors by answering their questions.  I also enjoy sharing any knowledge I have in other areas of numismatics or science.  I really despise when people purposely try make a mockery of it.  This forum is too good and has too many good members that want to help collectors to allow it too degrade with nonsense.  

On 9/12/2022 at 8:05 PM, VKurtB said:

Maybe YOU are the one that needs to chill, ‘Hoop. QA is under a clear warning from the admins for “contentiousness”. If he wants to overcompensate, it’s a reasonable tactic. 

But will the admins do anything?  This childish nonsense has been going on ever since he's been reinstated.  Did you notice how he keeps taunting the moderators?  How many times has he commented that he's in trouble with admins?  Unfortunately, I don't want to engage him very much because I don't want to risk getting bounced from this forum, but this bizarre, insulting behavior is not needed.  

On 9/12/2022 at 4:16 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

No, no, no!  The aforementioned gentlemen have arrayed their respective entourage, against me!  I promised them I would vacate the premises! Please do not get me into any more trouble than I'm already in.

STOP THE NONSENSE!!

There is no entourage or cabal out to get you and no grand conspiracy against you on this chat board. You aren't getting any kudos by constantly posting the bizarre false praise and worship comments. I consider posts like this to be insulting.  In my opinion, It's juvenile and immature.  

PLEASE STOP IT NOW!

On 9/12/2022 at 8:57 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

A bull in a china shop has NO intent. Those bulls that participate in that festival in Pamplona, Spain, have NO intent. What's that, you got gored? Sorry, NO intent! This member may very well have been all the things other members have attributed to him, but there was NO intent. I still fail to see what was so self-evident to me, continues to vex and bedevil others. As the former president so eloquently put it: NO COLLUSION, i.e., NO INTENT!  One more time now, everybody, NO INTENT.   🐓 

[Man, I love this thread!]

You said:

[Man, I love this thread!]

I think you're the only one. 

Take the time and do some research.  Lots of examples of whizzed coins on the net.  Compare them to your polished coin and you should start being able to tell the difference.

Obviously you're missing the humor.  The phoenix over the flames.  Cooked.  Get it?  It's always sad to have to explain a bad joke to someone

There are probably a number of individually cut dies and you're just seeing minor variations. Like early US large cents, bust halves, etc.  Nothing special, unless there is an active segment collecting early 19th century Greek lepta by die variety. (FYI, that's a joke too)

@RWB you should incorporate that humor into your next few books   

Looks polished, not whizzed