GBrad

Unknown token is my best estimation.

I will have to say that I took a deep sigh of relief when I looked at the reverse of the 1992 in the op's pics just to make sure it wasn't a CAM......... PHEW!!!! That would have been a tragedy!!!!!

On 8/31/2021 at 4:51 AM, Lem E said:

That is one beautiful Cent @Lem E and looks to have some very nice toning on both sides.  I love it. That lady was not a cheap date I'm sure....... Can you please advise me on the meaning of N-4?  Thanks!   

On 8/30/2021 at 8:46 PM, VKurtB said:

It certainly is THIS show business. Thou must genuflect to the god Overton.

I will have to say: Beautiful coin @jtryka!!! Way outside of my pay grade, and knowledge of coins, but I love your newly acquired coin. I have just barely graduated from Lincolns, trying to work my way into Morgans (help me Lord), and then maybe.... just maybe... I can start learning about coins such as this.  However, @VKurtB forced me to expand my verbiage by his use of  "genuflect".  At least I have that going for me in that I expanded my verbiagecal skill set. (and no, 'vercbiagecal' is not a form of the word but it sounded good and you get the point).

Edit.......

On 8/28/2021 at 1:38 PM, JAnsley said:

Quick question and ill start another form if need be but is there such thing as a 1971 cent D/S? Asking because i think i found one. If it was on a post '82 id dismiss it as zinc rot but being on a 95% copper i cant very well do that.

Thanks jeff

As far as I know a 1971 Lincoln Cent OMM does not exist.  Most likely they are die chips that may resemble something that you think you are seeing. Lincoln Cent OMM are far and few between and nothing I am aware of from the 1970's.  

On 8/27/2021 at 9:53 PM, JAnsley said:

Hello GBrad 

Newbie here and to varietys just wanted to know what class 9 doubling is that you refer to?? I hadn't realized there is different classes of doubling. Is the a link here on NGC website with literature i can read up on about double dies? Also other variety and error types?

Thanks Jeff

Hello Jeff and welcome to the forum.  Here is a very good link that will explain all of the classes of dies.  Class 9 is also listed in this tutorial.  I have always heard that a class 9 doubled die is a type of hub doubling that simply doesn't fit into one of the first eight classes.  It does however have its own characteristics as you can see from this article.  Hope this helps.  

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=classes

Thanks @Woods020  I really appreciate your time and all the great info with your VAM knowledge you just helped me with, something I am just starting to “maybe” get into…… don’t know if I have the patience though…. Lol. Now go hit the links and enjoy your golf!!! And yes…. I am full bore into the lake when I get there in these hot temps!!  Thanks!!

On 8/27/2021 at 3:17 PM, Woods020 said:

No I’m 99% it’s VAM 4.

Just looked at your link. Definitely VAM4. Pretty cool it was slabbed but not mentioned. I know that unless you request for an attribution service during a submission they won’t usually  include it unless it is so obviously apparent and then they ‘might’. At least that’s what I’ve read somewhere in the past. Thanks for figuring this one out for me! 
Neither PCGS or NGC recognizes any premiums for VAM4 on this coin. Only for VAM10 they do. Any idea if this 1883 P Morgan VAM4 has any additional value? Thanks!
 

On 8/27/2021 at 2:49 PM, Woods020 said:

I thought this was the 83CC, but noticed it is the 83P. This is VAM 4 I’m pretty sure. Need to see whole coin to be positive but fairly certain. Check it out and some of the die markers with your coin. 
 

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1883-P_VAM-4

Thanks a bunch Woods!  Yes, this is a Philly I got at the Dalton show last week and not the CC. I did look at that one too for doubling on the mm but it’s not there. I’m driving to Alabama at the moment. Would you still like for me to take other pics of the Philly and post them later today? I also looked at VAM world ( I believe that is the same link you referenced). I will check out VAM4 for sure. Thanks. 

On 8/27/2021 at 2:46 PM, JT2 said:

Too much tequilla hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yours???

On 8/27/2021 at 12:56 PM, J P Mashoke said:

I am not saying it is a DD that was just the title... I wright music and the title sounded so good (Is it Old eyes or Double Dies)  I am not looking and any of the edges of the devices that is reflection I was looking at the lines in the centers they are not typical looking Mechanical Doubling that is why I posted it , but it I guess it is just a different variation of the same old thing.

I want you to write a song titled this and post it on the forum for all to hear!!!!!

Now that I have entered yet another realm of a different denomination of coin collecting (this hobby is addictive, proceed with caution and at your own risk)  I have a question about a VAM I may have.  Not that I have the patience to study the bazillion different VAM's out there, I did good to get a hold on Lincoln errors, nor do I have but only three Morgans now, I thought what the heck...... I'll take a look at Morgan varieties since I dearly love Lincoln varieties. Low and behold, I pulled out my newly acquired 1883 Philly Morgan I purchased last week at the Dalton Show and I may have a VAM here?  I now believe I realize these are the equivalents of errors and varieties, much like other denominations, but are called VAM's being the initials of the guy's names who started all of these brain itching varieties. I compared my coin to pictures of what is out there and I'm still not positive which one this is, or if it is one at all.  I would like a VAM lover here on the forum to help me out with this one.  As best I can tell this looks pretty close to the 1883 Philly Morgan VAM 10. My observations: The 1-83 in the date appear to show doubling, especially the 1.  The die crack off the 1 is consistent with VAM10.  This coin is still slabbed, NGC MS63, so it is hard to see the doubling on the stars, even harder to photograph through plastic, but I believe I can make out doubling on numerous stars on the obverse.   Am I even close? Is there another VAM for this year and mint that would match more closely? Or is this not even considered a VAM?  Several pics here but I couldn't decide which ones to choose due to different lighting so I just threw them all out there.  Thanks

Here's the 2019 I found too.  Same form of doubling.  

Here's a 2015 LSC DDO I found awhile back (found a 2019 as well) but all of the dates in this series will typically look like this if a doubled die. Can you see the major distortion of class 9 I'm talking about, as well as the profound notching?  Stands out like a sore thumb to me,..... especially after looking at about 1,089,786 of them....... (and I still don't like them....)

On 8/27/2021 at 10:35 AM, J P Mashoke said:

Here is the Liberty it has lines also, not as pronounced as the top words

Thanks for the pic of LIBERTY JP.  Not seeing any true doubling here either.  You need to look for enlarged and distorted devices on these newer Shield Cents.  Pretty much all they will exhibit is class 9 doubling and to me at least it is very noticeable.  The glare from these pennies is nice but makes them about impossible to clearly photograph due to the glare.  Thinking ya just have die deterioration here bud.  The doubling in LIBERTY on the 2018 (and most all Shield Cents) will take place in the form of 'notching' on the lettering.  Typically on the last three letters-RTY on the tops or bottoms of the legs and cross members of the letters.  Let me try to find a pic of a DDO I found to show you for comparison.  Hope this helps.  

On 8/22/2021 at 9:58 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

I would agree that the planchet was whole when struck and the retained piece fell out afterwards. Or at least that is the most plausible explanation for the lack of strike weakness or the details fading away at the fissure. I took a quick look around and I haven't been able to find a slab labeled "ragged fissure", so I'm not sure what they would label this if it is authenticated. Defective planchet maybe? That would be a lame description despite being accurate. 

On 8/22/2021 at 8:34 AM, J P Mashoke said:

Thank you for looking at the penny DW. No others from NGC have yet to comment on the ask NGC post. I will most likely be sending this in anyway I just wanted to know if it would be labeled as a Ragged Fissure or just bad planchet. As far as the strike you mentioned I don't think the hub would have tilted to make a uneven strike. I think the planchet was whole until after the strike keeping the hub even and then the piece fell out afterwards . I like the fact that it has been kicking around for 40 years and we are just finding it now.

J.P..... not sure if I missed a post here or there but please do send this in to get a definite answer (I'm almost willing to split the cost with you.....). This is a very interesting piece now that I have done some research. Like you said, it has been out there for a long time and you were the lucky one to find it.  I would really like to see it slabbed as a "ragged fissure" but like Fenntucky said, it may be simply labeled as a 'defective planchet'.  Either way I think it would be a winner and a very cool coin to have slabbed.  

On 8/26/2021 at 7:41 PM, 124Spider said:

I like die-error coins, and I was curious what an MS68 RD Lincoln cent would look like up close.  And it cost a tiny fraction of what an MS69 RD cost (top graded level of this variety; of course, there are thousands of MS68 slabs, and only a few dozen MS69, so I guess it's the "condition rarity" I just learned about). So I bought it.  And I like it!

Being a diehard Lincoln variety and error collector myself, I love your coin! Great example of DDO FS-001. Been looking for one of these in the wild for years. You are correct in saying this coin's estimated value exponentially increases after MS68.  Very glad you are happy with it! 

On 8/25/2021 at 7:19 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

I hope @RWB, @Coinbuf @Alex in PA.@Oldhoopster aren't lurking around because I'll never live this down:  would anyone be kind enough to explain what this "7070" is I keep reading about? 

You forgot about me!