GBrad

On 8/20/2021 at 5:15 AM, Jason Abshier said:

@GBrad theres this stuff from JAX If you’re just gonna experiment see how it turns out ? Give this a shot otherwise I wouldn’t put this on copper collectible coin . If you’re putting together set of Raw Lincoln cents circulated-AU condition I don’t see the harm . JAX also sells a “darkener” that can darken copper to a darker tone .
 

****I’ve never used this stuff so to anyone using it or going to use it ?USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK**** I don’t recommend messing around with old copper coins as it took some of them hundreds of years to form that patina on surface of copper in which how they were stored over the years so we can obtain them for our collections today  

Thanks Jason for the info.  I am an avid Lincoln collector and do not delve into the realm of older copper that you and some others are very interested in.  Maybe one day I will.  Pretty much everything I search through, and own, is circulated raw. I like Linc. varieties and sometimes there is just a need to spruce one up and make one look a little better as long as it's not a Major Variety. Obviously, Reds for the most part bring higher premiums in the Linc series regardless of the year, mint, condition, or whether or not it is a variety, etc.... A good Red Linc. I wouldn't see any need at all to mess with. Thanks again.  

On 8/18/2021 at 11:50 PM, GBrad said:

Your 1990 Cent is not supposed to have a mint mark.  The only Lincoln Cent ever produced with a Philly (P) mint mark was in 2017.

Sorry for the wording in my reply to your post as show above. I did not mean to confuse you. The Philly Mint HAS been producing Lincoln Cents since 1909. What I meant to say was that the only year that Philly placed a P mm on a Lincoln was in 2017 which is a Shied Cent. Any other Linc’s you come across without a mm were struck in Philly. Hope this clarifies things. 

On 8/19/2021 at 7:19 PM, RWB said:

Cosmoline is a heavy weight petrolatum used as a protective coating for guns and metals.

Copper and bronze coins have long been coated with similar products. The purest do nothing more olive oil (just don't use cosmoline on your Salad Ready to Eat). But complete removal sometimes strips thin copper oxide which ruins the coin.

 

The OP's friend might have brilliant coins with s slight sheen - but they are worthless to a coin collector.

Hey RWB. Thank you for the reply. Good info on cosmoline and I knew it had some type of lubricating properties but would never use it on a coin. Definitely don’t use it on any salads either!!😁

I don’t have any friends of such that have any coins preserved in anything. Heck…. I don’t have many friends at all for the most part…  I was referring to, in my original opening post, that I had seen some pics of other collectors coins that looked to have a very clean look to them even though their Lincs are relatively old coins .  I was really inquiring about VersaCare and if anyone has had any experience with this product or any other products at all. I’ve seen it discussed numerous times in posts elsewhere but was curious about this product.  Or basically I take that nothing should be applied long term to a copper coin. Understood if so. Thanks.  

On 8/19/2021 at 5:47 PM, Coinbuf said:

 I do remember hearing about a guy that received some coins in a tin of gun oil, no idea how that turned out.

Thanks Coinbuf. I actually have a bunch of bottles of exact military grade  and spec gun oil I purchased awhile ago. Still in the small green bottles intended for field use for our Troops. It’s not what is referred to as “cosmoline” which most all new firearms come coated in to person_having_a_hard_time_understanding_my_point rust and repel water even though I believe that particular compound does have copper ingredients and/or properties which you can actually see the minuscule copper particles of in the mixture which act as a lubricant. I think I’m going to start doing some experiments for myself to test out some things like in this topic. Obviously, I wouldn’t use any coin of value. I think it would be interesting to do some legit testing, over an extended period of time, and if for nothing else, to satisfy my curiosities. Thanks. 

On 8/19/2021 at 3:46 PM, JT2 said:

I only got them on my albums then  8 tracks and then cassettes

Speaking of 8 tracks...... OMGOSH!!! You just brought up some very old memories of my Dad and I driving around in his brand new Ford F-100, yes the full size pickup truck back in the 60's and 70's, listening to this song.  GREAT Times!!!!!

P.S.- Sorry Geno g..... I had no intentions on hijacking your thread (which it appears I have...), my apologies!  The previous comments thus far on this thread just led me to fond memories of me and my late father.  Look forward to hearing back from you regarding your original coin post.

On 8/19/2021 at 3:25 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

Ok you guys are making me feel bad about my Red/brown 1909 vdb!

I bought this one from Mac Vanderstein so I hope it’s not been whizzed.

No Bill.... I think your 1909 is very nice! I wish I had it!!  I don't think it's been whizzed.  Just went back and looked at your coin on J.P's thread. The fields look too good with a very slight grainy/undulating texture and appearance which wouldn't be indicative of a polished or whizzed coin (I don't think).  The color looks good too, not shiny best I can tell, and what looks like a few carbon spots I would think would not be there either.  Not an expert here but just my take.  

On 8/19/2021 at 3:06 PM, James Zyskowski said:

Pm sent 

Question: I visit some other forums on occasion just to see what's going on in other collector's lives but I still consider NGC as my home.  I've noticed one in-particular individual on another site (I'll refrain from using their name here) that has found umpteen beautiful coins, mostly Lincoln Copper varieties, and the guy has excellent photography skills and a great setup.  His coins are predominantly LWC's and they are all found in the wild for the most part it appears from what I've seen.  However, he HAS to be putting something on his coins that give them a brilliant appearance and a slight sheen....making them look extremely better in appearance than when he first found them I'm sure.  Anyone know what this may be and would be a good product to preserve Copper?  I haven't asked this guy because I don't really want to participate there and would have to set up an account to do so.  I'm thinking maybe it's VersaCare? I've never used VersaCare before, only used extra virgin olive oil to remove gunk on some Lincolns and I'm not sure about leaving it on one permanently, but even the olive oil makes an old Linc. come back to life. It does work well for removing buildup that a pure acetone bath doesn't work.  Especially while using olive oil with a very soft and pointed piece of wood like a toothpick or better yet a rose bush thorn (thanks to James Z. for that advice)  Any input?  Thanks!

On 8/19/2021 at 1:56 PM, GBrad said:

Question: I visit other forums on occasion just to see what's going on in other areas.  I've noticed one in particular individual on another site (I'll refrain from saying their name) that has found umpteen beautiful coins, mostly varieties, and the guy has excellent photography skills and a great setup.  His coins are predominantly LWC's and they are all found in the wild for the most part.  However, he HAS to be putting something on his coins that give them a brilliant appearance and sheen....making them look extremely better in appearance than when he found them I'm sure.  Anyone know what this may be?  I haven't asked this guy because I don't really want to participate there and have to set up an account.  I'm thinking maybe Versacare? I've never used the stuff before, only used extra virgin olive oil to remove gunk on some Lincolns, but even the olive oil makes an old Linc. come back to life.  Any input?  Thanks!

Actually going to post this as a question in its individual thread. But, please answer here if you'd like and know anything about what I'm talking about.  Thanks!

On 8/19/2021 at 2:16 PM, J P Mashoke said:

You walk around with a bottle of shine everywhere you go.

YUP!  That's the way we roll up here in the mountains!  Kinda like "Deliverance".... I hear Banjos.....

Seriously though, here's a funny but true story.  Back when this junk first went AWOL and turned into a pandemic, no one could find the first bottle of any type of Isopropyl Alcohol anywhere because people panicked and cleaned out the stores.  I got an idea and went to my local liquor store.  I'm sure we all know what Golden Grain and Everclear is..... 190 proof straight ethyl alcohol.... so I buy two gallons of Golden Grain (wanted the plastic bottles and not the glass bottles Everclear comes in) and tell the store owner what I was using it for.  He said, "Great idea.... that stuff should kill anything you put it on or "IN"... including yourself!" I LMBO..... I went through the stuff pretty quick over about a two week period as a sanitizer for everything. I told a good friend about it who then blew up Facebook (which I don't ever use)  with my new idea.  Yes....I did try a little bit and GOOD LAWD!!!! I have no idea how I drank Hunch Punch back in College...Yuck!!  So I go back to the liquor store to buy more and this time a different store employee says he's completely out of both Golden and Everclear.  He said he saw some FB post about "a dude" using it as sanitizer and further told me they sold out of the 20+ cases he had of the stuff in their inventory in about 2 days! WOW.... I guess little ol' me I made an impact.  Shortly thereafter, the CDC recognized that yes... Everclear ...was an effective means of killing the COVID virus.  I feel jaded somehow in the aspect that I should have made millions off of my idea.....

On 8/19/2021 at 1:54 PM, VKurtB said:

Masks were “strongly recommended” but not required. Anyone becoming symptomatic that quickly seems to me to either be unvaxxed (and I have a REALLY hard time summoning up sympathy for that segment), or perhaps already infected before they got to Rosemont.

That's the thing about this crazy bug.  Even a vaccinated person, who has contracted COVID, can still transmit it to others vaccinated or not.  It's kinda darned if you do....darned if you don't.  I'm not sure of the answer and I don't think the CDC and medical Community are either, just MHO.  I just take as much precaution as possible, (yes) I chose to wear a mask when in public areas especially during close encounters, and I carry a bottle of 90% alcohol with me just about everywhere I go (making sure it doesn't touch a coin obviously......  But, I have a major health condition (which some of you are familiar with) and I chose to err on the side of caution.  

Question: I visit other forums on occasion just to see what's going on in other areas.  I've noticed one in particular individual on another site (I'll refrain from saying their name) that has found umpteen beautiful coins, mostly varieties, and the guy has excellent photography skills and a great setup.  His coins are predominantly LWC's and they are all found in the wild for the most part.  However, he HAS to be putting something on his coins that give them a brilliant appearance and sheen....making them look extremely better in appearance than when he found them I'm sure.  Anyone know what this may be?  I haven't asked this guy because I don't really want to participate there and have to set up an account.  I'm thinking maybe Versacare? I've never used the stuff before, only used extra virgin olive oil to remove gunk on some Lincolns, but even the olive oil makes an old Linc. come back to life.  Any input?  Thanks!

On 8/19/2021 at 1:35 PM, VKurtB said:

It’s as if I wrote it myself.

Great minds think alike......

I "liked" your post above @VKurtBbecause of the humor.  I am however, sorry and saddened that several dealers tested positive for this (BEEEEEP....) COVID ! 

On 8/17/2021 at 7:07 PM, J P Mashoke said:

David Camire is not only the big cheese when it comes to coin errors but he is also one of the presidents of NGC. So he is probably a bit busy to be looking at a forum request to look at a penny. But you never know  

Hey J.P..... don't give up, ALL CLM! 

On 8/19/2021 at 8:32 AM, James Zyskowski said:

I disremember the 60’s.  67-70 H.S.

James..... you just showed your age...... but, I'm not very far behind ya my friend!

Edit--- double post.... my computer, or maybe it's me, is doing some crazy things today. I may have had too many tabs open.....

On 8/18/2021 at 7:31 PM, VKurtB said:

The Olympic so-called “gold” medals are almost entirely silver, plated with 6 grams of gold

Very sad.... you train your entire life... win a coveted Olympic 'gold' medal.... and it is basically all a lie......go figure... such is life (I like the old saying, "Life Sucks and Then You Die") Not really but I thought I would throw that in. 

I do agree about the teeth test.  Just goes to show how mainstream media has, and continues to, affect our society.  I wonder how much the athletes got paid to 'bite' the medal (which is friggin stupid because they just worked their ARSE off their entire life to win a medal....)? I hope it broke their teeth in the process.  What's funny is that the actual bullion price between an Olympic gold and silver medal is borderline negligible .....lol....

On 8/18/2021 at 5:34 PM, James Zyskowski said:

Good job GBrad. There’s something about the eye in your pictures the socket the whole thing seems wonky. 👀. The eyes the dang eyes 🤓🙀

Your side by side top picture the 👁 is wrong 🙀

Thanks but Ya know what?…. I wrote that eye discrepancy off to PMD and ED. HOWEVER….. you made me look at it more closely, something caught my eye (no pun intended) and now I see a major discrepancy. Look at LIBERTY on the headband. The spacing of the letters are completely off and something I did not realize or catch previously. The wide spacing of L I B and the close spacing of ERTY is no doubt way off. Thanks for the reply. You further educated me (in a roundabout manner) what to possibly look for on a fake. 

On 8/18/2021 at 1:46 PM, Rick621 said:

I do like GBrad's analysis though.

Thank you very much Rick621, I appreciate that.  I just wanted to do an in-depth comparison on the OP's coin vs. a graded and certified IHC in which to hopefully get some feedback about my research and observations.  I obviously don't have the tools or bank of knowledge as do many other members (and NGC Directors) have here but I tried to do the best I could with what I had.  I wasn't saying it was the real deal, just looked into it a bit deeper and I really enjoyed doing so. Thanks.