GBrad

Just a random observation here I thought I'd throw out Hoghead but are sure that spot is on the coin and not the holder?  It's a very nice looking coin otherwise and I know you are an experienced collector.  

Hello Skitzo and welcome to the forum. Your coin is not a mint error. I agree with Condor and Hinkle.  I actually have a LWC that looks similar to yours but there is no way it could have left the Mint in that condition. With all due respect, your damaged Cent is not anywhere close in resemblance to what the OP posted which could, or could not have been, a possible clipped planchant.  

I guess it's back to the drawing board.  Looks like I just need to stick with my Lincoln errors and varieties which I am much more familiar and successful with.  Just trying my hand at learning and attempting to grade different denomination of coins and thought this one looked promising when I compared it to the online TPG's photos.  Maybe my old eyes are seeing (or not seeing) things that they should be seeing. Not sure what you are referring to as a wheel mark Moxie15, can you please explain so I know what it is that you mean?  I didn't post this frivolously I promise, I would never do that, too much of that goes on as it is.  I sincerely thought I had something worthwhile. Here's one of the pics I compared it to from PCGS Photograde.  These are pics I took off my screen, with my phone (taboo..I know..) only because I couldn't copy and paste them from their website. SO.... Disclaimer: These pics are from, and compliments of, PCGS and are being used for comparison purposes only (Hopefully this is legal...  ).  My apologies for posting my coin but when I compared mine to this example (just one example I looked at)  I just did not see much difference at all in the minute hairline scratches and minor dings, Obverse or Reverse. The hair details, or lack thereof, for this year and Mint are normal from what I can tell, there just doesn't seem to be good relief in this area of this coin.  The Reverse of the PCGS coin appears to be pretty consistent with my coin down to the nicks on the breast plate of the Eagle yet this coin is listed as MS67. Oh well, I will live to search another day and all the while learn from my mistakes. Thanks to all!

1 minute ago, James Zyskowski said:

I’m not very good but my reference material sez the field on right side of obverse looks AU.  Again I am learning too. Thanks for letting me comment 

Thanks for the reply James. And ya don't have to Thank me for letting you comment my friend, even though that is a very nice and polite gesture .  EVERYONE is welcome to comment, that's what I love about this forum as opposed to others.  You get very good professional advice and opinions here no doubt.  I need all the help I can get brother.  Heck, this may very well be an AU and I am fooled once again.  But I know on this forum that if you are sincere, take the given advice to heart and learn from it, and NOT argue with the experts here...... You will learn and be respected in time.  If only "some" of the other folks on this site would understand this.

I do think I need to take a better picture with a different lighting angle for the Obverse.  Not that it will make a difference but it is sort of shadowed out a bit.  I think the Reverse pic is pretty decent though considering I'm using an iPhone and a loupe.  I'll try to post another pic.  Thanks!

12 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

Last time I commented on a beautiful set, I got slapped. 

 Couldn't resist..... Happy 4th VKurt!  

On 7/2/2021 at 3:32 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

Hard to be-leaf they would grade it with a leaf on it. Hope they leaf it alone 

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4 minutes ago, Hoghead515 said:

I wood too. 

I'm loving the play on words here.  With this much action going on, I figured QA wood chime in, branch out, go out on a limb, and leaf a comment that would require me to pull out my Merriam Webster and my sandwich in my shirt pocket (thanks Ronnie for that one brother!!!)..........

I am a bit torn on this one to be honest and would like some guidance. I have continued to research the in's and out's of coin grading and have come across numerous coins that I believe would have a decent shot at obtaining a fairly good grade.  Take for example this Half.  I have compared this one to numerous pics from both NGC and PCGS Photograde and it appears (to me at least) that this one may possibly be worthy.  I feel I have gotten pretty good at assigning grades to Lincolns as they have always been my favorite since I was a little kid but I continually try to delve into other coins to expand my horizons.  It seems to me through my experience and observation that there is a just a tad bit more leeway on larger denomination coins when it comes to very minor marks vs. smaller denominations like Cents that pretty much have to be absolutely flawless to obtain a high MS grade.  I assume this is due to the larger surface area(s) and it being much more practical in realizing there is a lot more surface area for these coin to receive a small mark or blemish compared to a much smaller coin.  Correct me if I am wrong in saying this please.  I know there are several other important criteria involved in grading but I am presenting this one to the forum for some feedback.  Here's what I see:

The relief on the devices, both Obverse and Reverse, appear to be very well struck and sharp. There are possibly some minimal hairline scratches but when compared to other graded coin photos my coin appears to have less for the grade I'm thinking it may 'possibly' achieve. Also, those are not scratches on the cheek and profile.  To me it appears to be in overall better condition even though it does show a few minor blemishes but no more so than Kennedy Half's graded at MS66 and MS67 especially from what I can tell on PCGS Photograde.  Without getting even more long winded I will stop here....lol. I would appreciate some comments, opinions or feedback from the pros here on this one and anything I may be missing that you see.  I may be completely off base, wouldn't be the first time, but would this coin even have a shot at 67?? (let me down lightly now......)  But then again, I'm not the expert here and I still enjoying learning everyday. Educate me further please!  Obviously, unless this went 66+ with PCGS (I'd rather use NGC, if I even were to submit it based on feedback here, but they don't supply a price guide for in-between grades that I am aware of) it wouldn't even be remotely worth the time and expense.  A 67 would obviously be a no brainer for submission. This Half came from an estate of an older gentleman that was a lifetime collector, just FYI, and it only cost me .50 cents so no loss there..... Thanks! 

In regards to your Kennedy Half.  I know this is a weird question (I do have a suspicion), but have you weighed this coin? If so, please give us the weight.  Thanks. 

2 hours ago, Patman54 said:

I have a new one though this is a 2016 P quarter I have 2 of them Is of the same year and a friend of mine also has 2 of them same year He is calling it a late stage die.Has anyone else seen this or know exactly what it is?

This Quarter is exhibiting Die Deterioration Doubling or possibly Strike or Machine Doubling, can't tell exactly from the pics, lots of glare. Either way, it is worthless doubling.  

10 minutes ago, Just Bob said:

It is a joke squirting nickel. There is a tiny hole in the middle of the "O" in the word "OF."

Press in on the metal part, hold the coin under water, and release. It will draw water into the chamber. Then tell someone, "look at this hole in this coin," or something similar. When they put their face close to it to see the hole, give it a squeeze, and water will squirt out in their face.

That is too cool.  I have to find (or make) one of these.  

I have found "Magicians Coins" before in bank rolls.  They were Kennedy Half's.  I really thought I'd found a very underweight Kennedy until I got to researching it and then discovered what I had.  It too made a clicking noise because the Obverse was basically the thin shell side of the coin with a very small gap in-between the front and back of the coin.  Still pretty neat though.  

2 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

These, if used carefully, are THE GOLD STANDARD for flips. Everything else is a compromise.

Well there you go...... VKurt and I posted at the exact same time.  This sums it up I believe.  

3 hours ago, Kevin Simpson said:

            Thank you GBrad for that info I have Guardhouse UPVC would they be the same as the SAFLIP ? I also have the do it yourself slabs, just as good also? I don't want to ruin the coin by doing something that cause a problem with it. Thanks again.

By no means am I an expert on coin storage and I don't want to tell you something I am not 100% sure of.  All I have been told is that MYLAR type coin flips are what need to be used because they don't contain any PVC or VINYL.  I did a quick internet search of Guardhouse UPVC and all it said was that they are "Unplasticized".  I'm not a chemist so I couldn't tell you exactly what they do or do not contain.  

30 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

I know you were but I simply cannot envision a scenario inside a secure government building which would allow a leaf to blow through an unscreened window onto a press hammering away at Mach One speed without outside assistance.  The coin has been submitted; the damage is done. A Del Monte sticker on a twenty-dollar bill, however unlikely, was adjudged possible. But a leaf 🍃🙄 I would expect to be pulverized beyond recognition under tons of pressure. There are still a great many knowledgeable members who haven't weighed in yet. (The only one salivating and champing at the bit is the keeper of artifacts found in parking lots.)  

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4 hours ago, J P Mashoke said:

What about the 3 on it don't forget that, you do see the 3 don't you

I see about 100+ different 3's on this one.  

2 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

How It Really Happened...

I'm very disappointed.  I was hoping you were going to tell me it happened at the Mint......

18 minutes ago, Greenstang said:

"Should I send it in for grading"

No. That is a soft Maple Leaf.

It is only the Hard Maple Leaf that has any value.

DANG!!!! Being a former Arborist, I should have caught that!!!! I didn't notice the placement and spacing of the Stomata on the surface of the leaf under extreme magnification.  It also does appear that the Veins are of a bilaterally opposing nature in relation to the Midrib even though it has suffered some PLPD (Post Leaf Placement Damage).   But, I think I can make this guaranteed assumption: I may be holding the very first ever coin of its kind!  Is it ok to call this a "First Discovery"LOL?  I mean pretty much a MS leaf, stuck to a coin.... how many collectors can say they have found one of these in their lifetime? Too neat.  Thanks to all for your replies, jokes and comments.  I really enjoy and appreciate it! This help make my day.

3 minutes ago, James Zyskowski said:

Please tell me that’s a 2019 cent. If so can you imagine what a great addition to the Pride of Two Nations set

Sorry James, I just dropped it in the mail. It's headed to NGC for slabbing. Can't wait to get it back!  If I recall correctly I believe it was a 2020.  BUT.... It could very well be a transitional error in hindsight!

4 minutes ago, J P Mashoke said:

Is that a Canadian coin

My thoughts exactly!  A Maple Leaf hybrid LSC!!!!

7 minutes ago, Mr.Bill347 said:

Very unusual that it didn’t get knocked off!

I know right!  Very odd no doubt. 

6 hours ago, Just Bob said:

If the coin is coined "medal turn'" would not the front sail ("headsail" or "jib") be opposite the fish, rather than the rear sail ("mainsail")?

You are 100% correct on that Just Bob.  My mistake. This would make a die clash possibility even more prominent with the headsail or jib being responsible for the extra fin on the obverse.  Good observation and thank you for the correction.

I'd have to say that deciding the value of some coins is frankly floccinaucinihilipilification.  However, I am honestly beginning to think that this post is agathokakological with all of the sesquipedalian.  Just my take........

3 hours ago, Just Bob said:

I should have worded my response differently, evidently. I did not mean to imply that I thought the OP's coin was a special mint set coin. I just meant that, because of the date, it could not be a proof coin.

I'm clear Just Bob.  Thank you.