GBrad

On 9/17/2021 at 12:17 PM, Alex in PA. said:

Nice catch.  

Those fingers look awfully familiar.   

Dang it!!! If I was still employed in L.E., I would have access to an A.F.I.S., or better yet just known as an AFIS analyzer (analyzer is an add on, and optional). You’ll have to look it up if you’re not familiar with what I’m talking. We could FOR SURE tell who owns these prints (albeit illegally though….. dang 😔).  I would explain but I’m about to jump on a boat and do some crappie night fishing!!!! I’m back in @VKurtB’s home of Abalama at good ok’ Lake Martin where rednecks freely roam GALORE!!! I love this place! I wonder how a born and raised northerner (no disrespect at all) pronounces “crappie”. The fish I am talking about……🤔 Hmmmm….. I believe I already know the answer…:)

On 9/16/2021 at 6:36 PM, Alex in PA. said:

@denali12...While most coins do not come from the mint with milk spots, it is believed that the root cause of milk spots is present at the mint, and time allows them to develop into a visible phenomena. Many collectors have revisited their ASE's after being stored for a period of time, only to find them with the dreaded milk spots.

Many collectors of modern coins have visited the subject of spots.

 

Can Someone explain an MS-70 coin with blemishes and milk spots? — Collectors Universe

That's a good link and a lot of info there Alex on all the posts from that forum's members.  Pretty long post but I skimmed over it and got the gist that there has yet to be found a 'cure' for milk spots.  Now that I have a few slabbed solid silver Dollar Coins, I too am wondering if or when they may develop these spots, hopefully never!  I keep mine in a safe with a tub of a product called "Damp Rid".  The stuff works great and saps every bit of moisture out of the air that you could imagine.  Hopefully this will keep my coins from developing any spots over time.  Seems like by now, with the technology we have at our fingertips....., that someone would have concocted a solution to this dreaded issue.  Thanks for sharing that link.  

I'll agree with @Greenstang on that too, it very well could be a plating bubble.  Die cracks usually exhibit more crookedness. 

Looking like the D mint mark on the SBA took a hit and pushed some metal out of place, nothing special.  The Lincoln looks to have a die crack across the portrait.  If that line on Linc's face is raised then it is a die crack.  If it's not raised then it's a scratch.  Hard to tell from your pic.  

On 9/16/2021 at 6:24 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Is this the coin you are referring to?

Washington Quarters (1932-1998) | VarietyPlus® | NGC (ngccoin.com)

I'm just wondering if that Eagle preferred Levi Garrett or Beech Nutt???

@Lisae228 I can't tell from your pics but at least one of the steel Cents pictured, best I can tell, looked like it may have been re-plated.  I do collect steel Linc's that are in good original condition (not re-plated or re-precessed).  If you have time and can take some very good, clear and close-up pictures of any steel cents you may like to sell, please feel free to PM me with the pics.  I may or may not be interested depending on the quality.  Thanks!

On 9/16/2021 at 2:47 PM, Woods020 said:

And I thought I was beat up for an 82 model. This quarter gives me a morale boost 😂

At least it wasn't an 83 year model..... I would have been devastated! (concerning my affection for 83' year coins.... )

There looks to be circ. wear on her knee, ball of the foot and her wrist, maybe?  If this actually is wear, and not just rub marks from other coins, how could it even have achieved a score of 60 or higher?  I'm basing this off of my plethora of grading knowledge (not!).  Just politely wondering.....How long is this question going to go on without telling us, or informing us on, what the 'real grade' is? I stand down

On 9/15/2021 at 6:16 PM, Jaynh said:

and it also looks like it was struck upside down as well?

Everyone above is without a doubt correct.  Not an error coin.  I think the last pic in the opening of your post has deceived you.  It is upside down..... 

Welcome to the forum Dejone.  The guys above are correct about your coin.  It has seen its fair share of circulation and has suffered damage, in many forms, as a result. It's amazing how we can see things whether or not they are, or are not there, on a coin.  There is a term called paradoia commonly used in numismatics meaning our eyes can see something, and mistakenly interpret that it is something, but in reality it's nothing more than a figment of our imagination.  But then again, numerous hits, dings, contacts marks, etc.... can cause disfiguration to a coin which may in fact appear to be an out of place number or letter.  However, even if it looks like it, it is nothing more than post mint damage (PMD).

Ok, I am going to try to redeem myself here from my last comment which I humbly redacted.  I believe I have a (maybe not though....) better opinion of this HALF.  Should this have graded details?  I see one area on this coin that raised a red flag to my eye.  If I'm correct, which I don't anticipate, whoever did it did one heck of a good job repairing it.....? 

My comment has been retracted for sheer ignorance on my part!!!  I just learned something new about silver coin DENOMINATIONS.... I will leave it at that.....LOL. I will stick to my Lincoln's for now.

I agree with @Greenstang and @Mohawk as stated above. On a side note, I'm loving the other 1943 Steel Cents you have pictured (I'm a diehard Lincoln fan).  Just wondering where these steelies may have come from, or if you have examined them closely, as a tremendous amount of steel Cents have been reprocessed (not saying yours are, can't tell from your pics).  Reprocessed means re-plated or over-plated with a new shiny zinc coating to make them look new again.  

On 9/15/2021 at 8:52 PM, Woods020 said:

With the new process it is first unlikely you will find any, and if you do it is unlikely that the doubling will be on the exterior designs. The primary area for doubling now would be near the center of the coin.

I'm sure it is a much faster and economical way and a 'good process' the way a die is created now.... but DAWM...... I am sure going to miss those class 1 DD's...... very sad to me.

I will go a step further here and say that a lot of folks call these feeder finger lines.  I tend to disagree (for a zinc Lincoln in this case).  I am in the camp of belief that this is a result of an overly abraided and/or polished die, that left incuse striated lines on the die surface itself (in this case the obverse, or, hammer die), which caused the VERY thin copper plating on these cents produced after 1982 (some zinc Lincs. were introduced in 1982 as this was a transitional year for the Linc. Cent metal composition) to be impregnated into the incuse polished die lines during the strike, on the die face itself, thus creating more stress on the extremely thin copper plating which further enhanced, and caused, the lines and in-turn the plating issues we see on some Lincoln Cents post 1982...... Phew..... That was a run on sentence if I've ever typed one... Sorry to those that don't like these long sentences..... I haven't had my meds yet.

On 9/16/2021 at 1:04 AM, Thomas Beers said:

So the lines going through them are from the press?

No sir.  The lines you see are basically the 8 micron copper plating "bubbling" on the Cent that is showing the debris, or zinc dust particles, underneath the 8 micron thick plating.  It is called blistered plating, or plate blistering...... either way.  The lines going through your 1986 Zinc cored Lincoln were not formed, made or produced by the minting process.  These little (or a lot of...) bumps and lines happen after it the coin was struck and the pitifully thin copper plating was exposed to the environment.  Nothing special here, sorry.  Hope this helps......

Here's a good article explaining the different types of doubling, both worthless and true hub doubling, if I haven't already sent it to you.  This informational tidbit should have its own home, as its own topic, here on the forum for people to reference..... just a thought.....

Copy and paste into your browser:

file:///Users/ga/Downloads/Other%20Forms%20Of%20Doubling.pdf

On 9/12/2021 at 8:59 PM, Woods020 said:

What RWB is saying is the correct term for the other coins specially struck should be referred to as SP, not SMS. Now if your next logical question is what is the definition or criteria for SP the answer will be no one knows definitively. I asked NGC their exact criteria a month or two ago and crickets. 

On 9/12/2021 at 9:31 PM, James Zyskowski said:

Specimen and special keep showing up in my research. Specimen seems to be the 17-1800’s special for 65-67 and the satin 2000’s series. Then it starts with differences between pcgs ngc and who ever else. Proof or business strike. It’s quite messy 

I agree with both of you guys and thanks for the comments.  I will admit I am a bit confused as well James between the designations of SMS (Special Mint Set) which NGC uses and then PCGS uses SP which I too read is meant for "Specimen" coins, not Special Mint Sets, yet PCGS still lists it as a type of 'specially minted' coin you can choose from from their drop down menu on several denominations. I've read also in the past that SMS coins really do not exist..... but then there's another camp that will argue the exact opposite. Not sure, I never would try to confuse anyone more so than I am already confused myself, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.....

On 9/12/2021 at 5:10 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

Great photos Gbrad! These coins should qualify for 58 Full Steps! Why 58 you ask? Here’s why:

There are 58 steps leading up to the Lincoln Memorial, 2 for the number of terms he served as President, and 56 for his age when he was assassinated.

 

That's awesome Bill.  Thanks for sharing that part of history info with us.  I did not know that.