Jason Abshier

Perfectly normal , we all started once in these forums as well …. As for your coin and OP’s coin both are PMD … 99% of time you find an odd awkward looking modern coin chances are it’s P.M.D …. Most of the “error” coinage or “variety” type of coinage is more in classic coinage era’ (the stuff us hardcore collectors know about and talk about ) books and articles as well as old talks on here been discussed numerous of times over the years among some long time members on here been beat like a dead horse ! now a days we pretty much tell all newbs they got PMD which it is pretty much 99% of time …. You’re far better off getting yourself an coin album and do some roll hunting save all nice coins you find and fill up the album believe me you’ll waste your time chasing a ghost looking for so called modern day Error coins which rarely and say again rarely even exist anymore with modern technology mint uses today … even Double die stuff is not a “true” double die more like die wear most of us collector would happily throw it in the soda machine and buy a cold soda because it ain’t worth a hoot !

I agree with this statement over last few years I’ve been getting my nose beat bloody raw ! Bidding on German coinage on heritage where this great “boom” of bidders came from? I don’t know 🤷‍♂️! But several years ago I was able to bid on world coins on heritage flexible and easy the bidding pressure wasn’t there back then …. fast forward Today ? It really blew up on heritage auction I rarely “try not to use” them anymore but some times I’m forced to they have some of nicest and Seldom seen coins I need for my collection I can’t find them anywhere else I have no choice but to fight in trenches (bidding wars) hope I come out as a winner … but I mostly do win 75% of my bidding wars come out licking my wounds earn my battle stripes …. Are these US bidders or European bidders I’m up against ? I have no clue 🤷‍♂️…

That looks like they put Sloth from Goonies on the bust !

Me personally I wouldn’t send this coin for grading but that’s just me … @Sandon I definitely agree I’ve seen my fair share of over dipped coins you’re correct they will detail grade for improperly cleaned I believe … I wasn’t aware that’s what you meant in your post when you stated dipped coins will detail grade as “cleaned” …. My apologies if I misread what you meant when wrote that in your post .

I believe PCGS and NGC both widely accepts dipped coins they straight grade them do not consider them “cleaned” maybe at one time that was a big NO-NO in coin collecting but not anymore more and more people are becoming aware that Dipping is not cleaning…. Although I agree with you on grade tho. I myself don’t consider dipped coins “cleaned” if it’s done right this coin in picture looks like whoever dipped it did it right it would straight grade by PCGS or NGC …. however I do draw the line when it comes to dipping certain coins some should not be dipped … I have both rainbow toned and bright white coins in my collection … but to each their own on the subject about dipping as cleaning or not

Yeppers ! Harshly cleaned !!! Looking at letterings and around bust you’ll see dirt or contaminants pushed into the crevices is usually a dead give away it been cleaned not once but attempted few times awkward looking (doesn’t look like toning to me) looks like dirt and contaminates … probably “rubbed”cleaned improperly with a soft rag then someone tried dipping several times left it in solution to long acid etched the surface of the coin … sadly worth nothing but melt value now

Typical average Morgan dollar nothing to write back home about … definitely NOT DMPL , and definitely NOT MS70 ! more like MS63ish ? A lot of bag mark rubs all over the cheek and some nicks in field (from being in mint bags for long time) I’d grade it at 62/63 at the most…. Whoever sold you that coin saying it’s DMPL then write MS70 in lower corner didn’t know hoot what they were selling or writing on that 2x2 flip although nice coin and no I wouldn’t send this in for grading I’d keep raw I highly doubt that came from an original “ROLL”

I often asked myself the same thing … why remove it from airtight capsule … why can’t the grader , grade the coin through a capsule and put the whole thing in slab after grading is done ?? I see no harm in adding the capsule inside a slab …. when I buy a coin I have to examine it through a scratched up holder to determine if it really worth grade it was given

Keep in mind AI robotics is programmed by Man (human) it can still make errors, although accuracy would probably be better …. However they would need to program this AI robot to grades coins in parameter that’s acceptable for the grade what happens if the robot come across a coin that not quiet in the grade it was programmed to be ? A human would have to look at coin to determine the grade … bag marks , rim nicks , wear and so on will have to be programmed within parameters for AI robot to read it correctly…. therefore ! Grading would still and always be “subjective opinions” with or without AI robotics

I’m willing to bet the bank they are mold injected as well every slab made is probably Acrylic injected into a mold with high pressure and the results hold a tight tolerance like you said …

Yep ! We see it and hear it all time on here newbies sending or wanting to send in pocket change for grading … some listen to our advice on here and a lot of them don’t …

Why? I mean it’s basically pocket change what’s whole point of paying high grading fees for pocket change ? if you really wanna 1965 Lincoln cent that been already graded buy and you’ll save yourself hell of a lot more money (to spend on other coins) than to send send this single coin in for grading which merits NO value what so ever to any hardcore collector tiny die chip is nothing… work smarter at collecting not harder don’t be wasteful with your money either throwing it away on grading fees for a bunch of coins that nobody will even glance at them a second time…. Very rarely do any of us long time collectors send in coins for grading only if it merits the higher price tag say $300+ or more on the market or we plan to sell a high end classic coin we want a new decent grade opinion and encapsulated so we can sell then in that case it’s worth the expenses sending a coin in for grading

Ive heard the same there taxes on bullion I believe it’s called capital gain taxes after you own/hold/sell IRS considers you reporting if I high doubt most private owning individual report this…. Beauty of PA state is collectible coins and bullion are tax exempt! But I believe medals and Exonumia and tokens are not covered under the Tax exemption law ?

As a machinist for 27 years myself did you really measure that coin with a micrometer ? 😂 people often get Dial or Digital calipers mixed up with Micrometer both are two different measuring tools it the metalworking machining world … 99% of the folks wouldn’t know how to read a true micrometer anyways … but it’s not really needed to determine 1982 small date 👍

@Sandon is right you gotta be careful buying that ancient coin stuff … lately Chinese notice there’s a market for for it in our coin collecting hobby face it the ancient stuff was pretty horribly made makes a counterfeiters’ job easy …

With my luck in life some times Kurt you might as well say I’ve gotten worse of the worse GRAVEL RASH ! Road rash I can probably live with but Gravel rash is a B**ch … I should of said it more like this if I win lottery 1) invest into properties and stocks (seek/Hire a reputable financial advisor what heck would I know about owning that much money anyways I’m just an average Joe 🤷‍♂️) 2) then keep building my collection as it is and sit back make money on my investments 3) then lastly buy high roller coins 👍

If I won I would spend it on more rarer type of high roller coins the best of the best (the stuff that’s out of our reach) … my collection I have now I would keep adding to it simply because numismatic collecting is in my blood, also invest a lot money into properties and so on … probably never work again

I don’t have 1/4 million mark in my collection I have few other notgeld coins in my collection at the safety box at the bank … but inflation in Germany was definitely an interesting read during and right after WW1 going through Weimar Republic years and depression years leading up to WW2 and rise of Hitler and Nazi idealism and holocaust , POW camps and so on …. Minor coinage has a lot bangs going for it during this time frame in Germany definitely keep a collector really busy trying to collect every mint and design made during that period is utterly impossible, I mean there’s so many pathways to go down to collect concentration camp coinage (holocaust coinage) , military issue coinage , POW camp coinage, notgeld coinage … but for Notgeld coinage I recommend Robert Lamb’s book on Notgeld , I also have Walter Funck’s catalog as well I have both in my numismatic book/catalog collection entirely devoted to Notgeld coinage … there’s also Peter Munzel’s catalog on notgeld coinage (I believe it’s 3 volume catalog , which I don’t own) …. but I find Roberts Lamb to be more better catalog for notgeld coinage compared to Funck’s catalog

Collecting becomes a passion of a lifelong obsession it’s not about money to most of us when we are putting our collections together is more for the love of the hobby… We been at it for long time devote a lot of our time studying a series of coins learn as much as we can… when I was growing up my grandfather , uncles and my father were collectors it was common for my grandfather to take me to coin shows and so on if it weren’t for my grandfather and uncles I probably would never been involved in coin collecting today like I am (although I do collect/invest way way more into coins than my grandfather or father ever did in their time) …. However my grandfather and my uncles mostly collected US coins as usual …. Now a days for last 10-13 years I’ve collected mostly German coins that whole different arena in coin collecting some information simply can NOT be looked up online I had buy books and catalog (mostly written in German language) and study and study the old fashion way to learn about German coinage I wanted to collect I haven’t looked back on US coinage for a long while nor bought any US coins for long time … The more educated you are the more better you’ll become when making decisions on buying coins for your collection it takes years to hone in that skills …I e never looked at my coin collection as a “gold mine” to make some $$$ on it … in fact I hope when I get older one of my kids take the collection I do NOT want a single dime back that I spent into it over all years other than I had the enjoyment putting it together

A very very nice German empire Frankenthal area of Germany 1918 NOTGELD 10pfg … for folks that don’t know about German notgeld money is interesting emergency money issued during German empire and Weimar Republic era after WW1 each territory and German states had their own design of notgeld money made in iron or porcelain and brass and bronze (non precious metal) there’s few catalog devoted entirely to German notgeld coinage some issues are very rare and some are common… Rarely do I buy the Iron issues of notgeld they are usually rusty and corroded so finding a very nice “blemish free” notgeld is like a needle in haystack ! This one is top pop, probably will remain like that for long time to come … I just couldn’t pass it up !

@smashan8 welcome to forums . To start off since you’re new to the Hobby be very very wary of watching YouTube videos on coins ! A lot of misinformation now a days on YouTube…. however please take a trip over to “US , World and Ancients coins” forums and look under “post your most recent Acquisition US” and “post your most recent Acquisitions World” coins you’ll see what some of us are collecting coin wise how we are building our own personal collections then ask yourself “Why” we don’t look for this “modern error” stuff because we been around for long time collecting and not wasting time listening to rubbish YouTube videos giving out wrong information on coins that are not worth a hoot ! It’s fun at beginning to roll hunt and learn but you’ll learn more on here from “serious collectors” than you’ll ever learn from a YouTube video

Now the newbies have something to look for instead of boring us to death with parking lot coins post after post or so called errors and made up varieties and so on here …. Thank you to the US mint !

I’ve had no problems on MA-shop all my coins arrived as I expected them too I’ve bought a good 20-30 coins on MA-shop over last 4 years graded and Raw coins both not one single problem with any of sellers … also bought about 5 or 6 German numismatic books on MA-shops (which isn’t easy to find on US market) one book was tough to find however a German coin dealer went out his way and found me a copy of the book 2 week later emailed me he found one! sold it to me for a good price compared what everyone else was paying for the book in previous auctions

you’re right again there’s still some good stuff to be found on on eBay even Facebook market place local sales and so on , if one takes time to learn and look for it … I haven’t collected any US coins for long while I mostly focus my time on German coinage and Exonumia

You’re correct I long forgotten about the 2 feather variety I wasn’t looking good enough at your picture …thanks for correcting that