Jason Abshier

With blurry pictures like that I thought it was “tripling” and not doubling thought I needed my eyes checked 👀 … Over all it looks like normal wheat cent if you see any slight doubling? It’s most likely die deterioration from worn out dies during a production striking.

I feel your pain ! Get ahold of MA-shop again and show them this forum chat we been talking about them and how they are conducting business …. However the seller/dealer you are up against has a (rating 635 with 99.7%) they haven’t been in there too long selling…. But where they got you was their *2 week return policy* that’s a policy they set to protect themselves however you can try Paypal see if they can get your refund back for you … not sure how the laws work there you may be even able to file a police report ? Press charges for theft ? Then again there been people who been burned way way worse than you have been with fake coins who purchased multiple coins spent like $10k or so to find the coin or coins they bought all been fake! …. I would only highly recommend you to buy graded coins already encapsulated by PCGS/NGC especially Gold coins… save yourself the hassle and fees sending the coin in to get authenticated and graded yourself sometimes just isn’t worth it , not even for generic bullion gold coins… if I’m going to spend $200-$300 or more on a single coin ? I might as well save up a little more money and just try to buy it already graded in a NGC/PCGS holder and call it a day put it in collection it helps me save myself the hassle shipping a coin in for grading and waiting and fees and so on

Most of them are low mintage , sadly a lot of them toned rather ugly today they need a good dipping , however there’s some stunning toned commemorative half dollars also some very high grades MS67 that still pull premiums but the collector’s crowd interest dropped over the years just about every dealer now a days have some classic commemoratives for sale they sometimes just sit in inventory for long time never sell well … I read a articles back then dealers and collectors were desperately looking for the original boxes that came along with these coins when they were issued , which we rarely see today the original boxes what happened to them ? I have no idea I hardly ever see a original commemorative boxes for sale … again I’m not really looking for them anyways You are correct the market crashed right around when TPG was taking off with plastic slab technology probably why they may have seen a major spike in prices but dealers couldn’t get enough of them to supply demands … why such a sudden demand ? I don’t know maybe another member on here who experienced buy/selling in that market at the time can shed light on it

It was an interesting market for sure , they shared their glory in market history as for folks who shelled out the high dollars for them back then ? OUCH!!!

No such thing as 100% perfect no two coins taken off press stop definitely positively not identical to each other … just nearly impossible if you want get technical about it look at each “perfect” coin under a powerful microscope I guarantee you’ll see flaw difference between the two coins that are so called “perfect”… Never ever will Machine nor man ever be 100% perfect … I still can’t tell difference between MS/PF 69 VS MS/PF 70 not with a 10x loupe

Commemorative classic half dollars was a fine example of hostile market in early to mid 80’s …. Tons and tons of money was spent and wasted on these “red-hot” coins to watch the market all sudden collapse and sudden huge price drops ! Today these coins can be easily purchased and assemble in a collection 95% of them are in affordable price range from grade MS63-MS66

I posted this to show for education purposes what a Real Gold 1898 10 guilders looks like compared to the OP’s counterfeit coin

For real ? … it been around for long time … mostly European coin dealers overseas , it’s a nice place to get the “hard to find stuff” in world coins …. You have look it up yourself , however mostly 90% of the stuff on there is RAW ,RAW ! you really have look before buying anything on there … but I haven’t bought coins from there in over a year or so … however I did buy a few hard to find German coin catalogs within last month or so … but lately the prices for just about everything is marked up high!!! (well the stuff I want for my collection)

That’s one of the reason I try not to buy very high end coins overseas … however I do buy a lot German coins on MA-shop in the past …. If it’s something high end I buy for my collection I always research it and only buy it graded by PCGS/NGC (yes I know there’s fake holders with fake coins) but it’s the risk we take … however I never had bad experience on MA-shop I been buying from dealers on there for years but it mostly German coins …. Lately I haven’t been buying anything on there the prices have gone way way way up for my taste everything been marked up high… I’m waiting for prices to drop a little it might be a looooong wait for me … I been doing better price buying wise in auctions and other private dealer sites…

You asked a good question …. Newer folks getting into the hobby often get proof and business strike mixed up … in most cases a Proof coin is NOT rarer or scarce , however a Proof coin is NOT a grade it is a method of manufacture the way the polished up blanks and dies to strike proof coins they also strike proof coins a few times at higher pressure to bring out the best in the coin … however on another note it is harder to get a higher grade on business strike coin made for circulation compared to a proof …. then There is some proof coins that are scarce and rarer due to limited of mintage they made which is why you might see a high price for a proof coin in certain series , and even world coins as well

You pretty much nailed it …. I myself welcome the newer modernized collecting hobby even tho I collect classic coinage I do like the looks on some of the newer bullion coins hitting the market that is supplied to the newer crowd and generation of collectors … I notice us older collectors can be somewhat domineering towards newer collectors pressing our conservative beliefs on what coin collecting should be (mostly classic coinage)… it’s not a one size fits all market anymore

It will be a matter of time in future NGC/PCGS will grade just anything … I’ve already seen tons of modern colorized painted bullion get graded from Bart Simpson, Star Wars , to wacky creatures and so on bullion … when they always said they would never grade them (maybe they accepted it for grading only because it was done by the mint) … Times are changing it’s a modern market out there completely off the rails compared to our classic coinage. What will it be in the next 20-30-40 years from now? They new collector in future will look at our old old classic coinage as ancient coinage!

Is this a joke? If that were the case I’d reach in pocket everyday and try sell my change for triple the face value we’d all be rich if it were that easy … what you have is not “vintage” at all nothing but Pop machine pocket change … hope you stick around learn more about the hobby and what to collect and what to avoid … might want start of learning how grade certain coins before you buy them, read some numismatic books then decide which coins you would like to collect US series ? Or world coin type ?

I’m a little confused here do you have the older small white ANACS holders ? Or are they in the Yellow/blue labeled style ANACS holders ? In my opinion the yellow/blue labeled stuff from ANACS is a 50/50 shot if that grade is accurate or not they tend to over grade a point or more not saying ANACS is bad I notice they also tend to detail a lot coins not that PCGS/NGC won’t but a lot people send cheaper lower problem value coins to ANACS for grading they aren’t really worth the merit or time and expenses sending them to NGC or PCGS paying high submission fees to have coins graded …. However the old small White ANACS stuff is pretty conservative on grading they may have a chance of upgrading at PCGS/NGC on todays market again I won’t send a coin in unless it’s worth at least $150+ or more to be evaluated and encapsulated by NGC/PCGS (A lot of coins just aren’t worth hassle sending in for grading the market already has plenty of the coins already graded) we leave them in raw condition in 2x2 or air-tite snaps , dansco album or in their old graded holders and call it a day either that or trade/sell them for better coins … I wouldn’t buy a bunch ANACS coins then shell out more money to have them Regraded by NGC/PCGS I would lose money there , that I could use to buy other coins for my collection …. Only exception I would make unless the coin is Hot on the market in demand it’s in an old white ANACS holder and I plan to sell it ? I would crack it out and send it in to PCGS/NGC have them grade it wait for for the results to come back that only if I intent to sell it right away which I rarely ever sell any of my coins once I buy them I keep them for loooooong time just the way they are… so in meantime you got something to think about , my advice is show us some pictures on here we’ll let you know if it’s even worth sending into PCGS/NGC you’ll thank us for helping you save money

I have several old ANA/ANACS as well as PCGS And old NGC slab holders I leave them intact as they are no need to have any of them regraded … in fact the old ANA and ANACS stuff was at time when grading was very very conservative not like today we have market grading between PCGS/NGC I’m not going to get too deep into that talk …. If you show some pictures of what you have and you are looking to improve your price point on coins that you wish to send in for (market grading) and wish to sell ASAP to gain back some profit ? Pictures would be helpful …. Otherwise if these are coins you plan to keep in your collection for many many years ? There’s no need to worry about cracking them out to send for grading right now if I were you I would just leave them intact the way they are … enough coins been cracked out of these old old holders by dealers and collectors only wishing to maximize their profits selling coins is why the market is wacky as it is today… in the end these old holders are vanishing fast just like our history is be stripped away today … once they are gone they are gone for good

I consider 64 , 65 ,66 the collector man’s coin …. The 67-68 stuff is more for registry builders the prices are marked up for the that stuff other wise I don’t participate in to registries so I’ll settle for 65-66 any day I’m not worried about getting “rich” off my collection nor am I looking at it as a retirement “slush fund” when I retire or something … in fact I hope one of my kids take my collection I don’t want a dime nor a cent back from it other than I had enjoyment putting it together … so this very very high graded stuff is not for me that’s not my goal in my collection if I was doing registries I would look at it differently

Awesome set to own , very nice set however I don’t think all of them will grade out PR67 … more like PR66 or PR65? It would interesting if you do send these in for grading ? Check back with us in the results … unless you choose to leave the set intact as it has been for all these years …

That would be me , one of my many hobbies include pressing coins in a Vice and going to the local parking lots and tossing them out in random spots and waiting for newbies to hit this post with their errors they found … just kidding

That does look odd looks almost heat torched it in that area or it touch something very hot … NGC doesn’t use heat to seal the edges of the slab when they they are being sonically sealed ? You’d figure heat is what bond two separate piece of plastic together so they seal to each other … NOT saying NGC is at fault here … a good suggestion from @Sandon noted to take photos of coins BEFORE you ship them off for grading … In fact it probably best to take photos of all your coins individually in your collection Raw and graded in slabs for insurance purposes in future if mishaps happens or theft and for keeping records …

Always wondered if heated olive oil would work faster than waiting 3 months? I might have to fire up my deep fryer and do a test 🤓 just kidding!

Greeting , I’ve seen these before they are 1987 China Olympic? Or some kind of sport commemorative medallion set? I believe there was 5 or 6 (maybe more, again I could be wrong it might be a 3 medallion set) I can’t remember been awhile since I’ve seen them … as for value ? I’m not to sure about that either

When I get the time Bob I’ll post some pictures right now I’m not at my collection to dig through it but I will in next day or so when I’m home

I myself have a few odds awkward toned modern coinage I threw in the junk pile of my collection … not worth sending in for grading , I have a weird unique Rosevelt dime on the bust his face has Green stripe and blackish tone under it looks like he painted military face paint on himself … also have a few War nickels with woody grain streaks , I have a Lincoln cent I found wedged in a couch once sitting up against yellow foam cushion for years it turned Lincoln’s hairdo bright yellow/purple like he got his hair dyed by Dennis Rodman … interesting but worth nothing throw it in 2x2 and throw it in back of your collection

Nice decent set 👍 although these were minted in USA for the Philippines it’s still considered Half and half “world coin type” USA-Philippines.. IMHO

Not really sure but is that RPM 1916-D ? When I blow up the picture it gets a little fussy but it does look like RPM-D/D