Jason Abshier

@EagleRJO I see some newer collectors are anxious in a happy way or curious to get a coin graded hoping for that high grade just because they saw one on eBay with a high price tag (doesn’t mean anyone is buying it though) but they assume if their coin graded out that then that’s what it must be worth ! Sounds too good to be true … I urge every new collector to learn to grade raw coins best they can … I do see TPG in a good way helping newer collector when they buy a slabbed coin it guaranteed to be genuine and graded somewhat ballpark “close to the market” grading ….
I do suggest newer collectors to buy NGC/PCGS coins and avoid Raw coins at the beginning if they don’t know how grade or see cleaned coins or counterfeit coins for the matter until they work on their skills better … for the records I never paid for NGC membership nor PCGS membership I have no desire to send in coins for grading And if I do ? I’d go with a dealer who already a member have them send it in for me otherwise I would be wasting my precious money  on a membership I would never fully use coin submission wise … I could use that money to buy more coins for my collection 

I don’t see the 8/7 either 

On 6/2/2023 at 8:17 PM, WayneT9639 said:

I appreciate you sharing this info! I know I have a VERY LONG way to go. I am building this collection of slabbed coins to leave as inheritance for my unborn grandkids. Gold, silver, copper and nickel collections.

With my collection I have both Raw ungraded coins as well as a tons of slabbed coins … I ain’t no high roller in 7 figure coins collection , I have US coins raw and Slabbed I also collect German coins Raw and slabbed as well … My kids show no interest in my collection , the future is uncertain if next generations are interested in the hobby of collectibles heck I rarely ever see a teenager interested in 1960’ or 1970 classic muscle cars anymore… Us coin collectors/dealers are keeping the hobby  alive best we can  good news is there’s still kids interested in coin collecting maybe not in the numbers like we were exposed in 70’s or 80’s and 90’s pretty much early 2000’s after that coin collecting started waning a little ….I don’t see as many kids at coins shows I did in 80’s or 90’s … kids are interested into other stuff not so fascinated into history or collectibles that’s just my opinion .
 

I noticed one trend that seems to never go out of style regardless of generation is SPORTS ! basketball and baseball as football , hockey seems to always have fans of all ages ! Collecting jerseys , helmets , signed balls and so on might still find strong collectibles and buyers in future of that hobby 
 

So when I retire I have some thinking to do to probably dump my collection at auction house to sell off give my kids the money or invest it into property or stocks or something for my kids … unless my kids want my collection ? So be it 

You’re going have show us some picture before anyone can truly help you on here … A coin is graded by its condition and rarity to determine a “ball park price” what they may be worth on the market …. Some of the modern coinage is worth small premium and most of it isn’t worth anything but old pocket change because nobody interested in buying it …

However the older vintage classic German coinage and medals from the WW1 (Weimar republic years) and Third Reich (WW2 and German empire , down to the German states 1500-1800) is worth collecting if you choose to start collect German coins Thalers , kreuzers and so on … I been devoted to entirely to collecting German coins for last 13 years 

Wish you luck … it doesn’t looks AU to me the first coin you showed in your post looks VF probably come back detailed for cleaned looking at field around the coin looks lighter shade of  color as if someone cleaned it … just saying  

@bobbyboshay if you found a 1972/72 double die … believe me you’ll know it , you don’t even need a magnifying glass to see it the doubling is so strong to see with a naked eye 

It’s a 1942 … the 1943 copper cent is a rare coin there are many fakes out there as well just be cautious when someone tries to offer you one chances are highly it might be a fake and it probably is 

@bobbyboshay there’s was an old saying on here “hope you got thick skin” sometimes the water get murky on these forums … some members who contribute information and answer questions on here take thing the wrong way , I myself never been offended by anyone on here…  I tell it how it is I live by those words I don’t sugar coat stuff to make someone feel better if they are offended oh well it is what it is 

@bobbyboshay there’s another forum on here in US, World and ancient coin forum under “post your most recent acquisition, US coins” you can post coins of your pictures …. On the newbie section when someone post up a coin it’s normally for questioning 

some members find it annoying when someone doesn’t post the subject in the right forums , there’s still some members who been here for over a whole year or so still posting their recently purchased coins in newbie section when there’s really nothing to answer on the coin they are posting about … I even still see some members and newbies posting pictures of coins for questioning in the “for sale” forums 🤦‍♂️

Doesn’t looked cleaned to me looks like what I call “honest Circulation” it was used as it was intended to be … if your referring to blackish in her hair as if it was cleaned it doesn’t seem so , closer looks angle coin in right light see if all hairlines are going in same direction but by looking at your pictures it looks like an honest VF for the grade 

On 5/14/2023 at 6:48 PM, VKurtB said:

Welp, both the WHO and the CDC now say the COVID emergency has passed. That does NOT mean we've reached "zero COVID". That day will never ever come. It was never GOING TO happen. COVID will be with us forever, just like the seasonal influenza and RSV viruses are. It's time to get sane again and start living like life is worth living. I'm still ticked off the ANA still has a "COVID policy" for Summer Seminar. "Get over yo' bad seffs." I traveled by airliner and by Amtrak during the peak of the pandemic and I never caught anything. So much hypochondria out there.

I still see folks driving alone in their car with a mask on ! 😂…

The PAN coin show will be going on at Monroeville convention on May18-20th it’s the spring show … they have one in Fall time as well usually have nice dealer setup it’s a nice show … I haven’t went to PAN show for about 2 years since covid hit 

 https://pancoins.org

Finding true error coins is like chasing a ghost … you can look at thousands of rolls of coins and find little imperfections from coin to coin it’s not worth anything at all nor is it a true error coin … YouTube is full of misguided videos made by some person who has no knowledge of error coins nor coin collecting what so ever …

Todays Modern minting technology and machinery basically prevents errors we know or talk about in older classic coinage (but most of that stuff been cherry picked and found a long time ago by error collectors) …Modern coinage you’ll see a slight machine doubling not even an error nor worth anything but pretty common on Modern coinage it’s within the minting process Specs and tolerances 

Try Heritage auctions … look up older auction prices for the coin you have in your picture 

https://coins.ha.com/?ic=Task-coins-My-061722

I’ve found similar coin to one you have but it’s in mint state condition.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/ancients/greek/ancients-corinthia-corinth-late-4th-early-3rd-centuries-bc-ar-tetradrachm-28mm-1715-gm-9h-ngc-ms-4-5-3-5-fine-style-/a/3083-32059.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Out of curiosity @J P M why do you cross out the Cert numbers on your slabs in the pictures? I’ve seen few others do this as well not on here but other forums not sure why they do that… Btw nice Jeffersons 👍

@The Neophyte Numismatist just a question I’ve never done it yet but I was always told NOT to even bother dipping gold just like copper don’t even attempt it …. Does gold change color like copper would when dipped ? 
 

however for silver ? I’ll only dip a silver coin that brownish tone kinda ugly or light mottled toned silver coin I’ll dip … I cut my solution light 2:1 ratio … 2 parts of distilled water mixed with 1 part of E-Z-est to dip coins then rinse them in two small containers with warmed distilled water … warm water helps it evaporate faster off the the coin, although I’ll have dip the coin no longer than 10 seconds it takes a few dippings and rinsing in distilled water to get the results I’m looking for… I’ve never had to “full strength” E-Z-est ….
 

However for every raw coin I own I either soak it in Acetone before I put it in a 2x2 holder just common practice to soak of finger oils or contamination off the coin by whoever owned it … as for using a rose thorn ? I’ve heard of museums doing this to clean bronze statues and plaques I wouldn’t attempt do it myself … 

@Dan DJ I wasn’t saying you cleaned that coin or anything … just way it was found , just like @Coinbuf stated coins that spent their time in ground come out looking like that … it’s pretty common for metal detectors to find coins that been buried under dirt for centuries pull it up and harshly clean the crud off it with a brush and soap water …. Usually the coin already suffered pitting , corrosion from being exposed to acid in the dirt … so it possible this farmer or who ever you got this tin of coins from was finding very very old coins in the dirt at one time … still pretty a cool coin to have either way 

@The Neophyte Numismatist @EagleRJO
I agree somewhat with dipped copper it looks awkward pinkish color I don’t know who would want to buy a pink looking copper coin even tho grading company will still grade it unless it was a rare coin or something like that even then it still looks awkward however it didn’t remove any metal harshly it only removed toning which in time will still re-tone back to brown …

I have seen coins left in a jars for many years pull couple out of middle of pile or bottom of jar they have what looks like they been dipped at one time or some off odd toning I can’t explain when really it was type of environmental damage 

the OP’s coins might very much be environmental damage from sitting in in a tin can with bunch of other coins humidity and cold over the years hard to tell if it was really dipped or not I’m aiming toward environmental damage,  corrosion , harshly cleaned with a brush or something at one time 

On 5/8/2023 at 10:17 PM, Henri Charriere said:

World coins are not eligible for star rating consideration. 

I believe I’ve seen a few world coins get the star rating already … very few compared to US coins though 

On 5/7/2023 at 4:11 PM, Coinbuf said:

Well first let's begin with getting the facts straight, starting with the proper definition of what each stands for.   A green bean is awarded for coins that are (this is directly from the CAC website) "solid or premium quality for their assigned grade".   From the PCGS website; "Plus Grades" exhibit exceptional eye appeal for the grade and constitute the top 30% of the coins in the grade".   From the NGC website; "NGC assigns a + to coins at the high end of their assigned grade, approaching the quality requirements for the next grade".   So, as we can see none of the three services define the same or are completely aligned or equal when it comes to a + grade and/or a CAC green bean.   Also let us set the record straight on the timeline, I do not recall exactly when CAC first started but I believe it was in 2007, perhaps 2008.   I do know that CAC opened up submission opportunities to collectors in 2010 and had been in business for a few years prior to allowing collectors to submit.   Both PCGS and NGC started plus grading in March of 2010, so actually the plus grading was a response to CAC and came about after CAC had begun operations.

As to the differences, well that is more about different ideologies and concepts of quality than a written in stone standard or policy.   A green bean is given to a coin that JA feels is solid or high end for the grade, where the TPG's tend to give plus grades to coins they feel are on the verge of the next grade (what CAC would call premium quality) or in the eyes of the graders meet some nebulous feeling of exceptional eye appeal.  But when you consider that you see green beans on non plus graded coins that makes sense, JA has decided that coin is at a minimum solid for the grade, it may not be exceptional, but at least solid.   And from the definitions from the TPG websites both say they have a higher bar than just solid for the grade thus no plus, at least at the time of that grading event.

And there is yet a third component to the CAC green bean, initially the point of the green bean was for JA to bean those coins he felt met the criteria of coins he wanted to make a market in so that when those coins came to auction he could easily identify them.   Often I read or hear someone say they don't understand why this or that coin got a bean as it is of inferior quality in their eyes.   I get that, but it is just possible that some coins are given a bean simply because JA would like to be a buyer of that coin, here I'm thinking of some of the more rare and seldom seen coins.   Not rare in the sense of the 1913 nickel, but civil war date coins where the mintages are very low as are the surviving populations.   Keeping in mind that this was the core reason that CAC was started can be helpful in understanding why we might perceive differences that we cannot explain.

@Coinbuf well explained 👏 it all make sense now …