Jason Abshier

Keep In mind “supply and demands” are what drives the market in any collectible area … weather it’s toys , paintings , baseball cards , coins (modern and classic) , antique cars and so on … if there is no demands there won’t be a market 

so to say a market will be a short one ? Who knows … we have newer folks joining our hobbies and today with internet and everything every major mint is pumping out silver bullion rounds they are being gobbled up by newer collectors , I myself collect some bullion coins did I  pay more than melt value?  (sadly yes on some bullion I’ve collected) …. Did I pay hundred and hundreds for Morgan dollars in past or other silver coinage? Yes sadly paid the “collector’s premium” simply because the “market” driven the prices up for it … 

On 7/16/2023 at 12:27 PM, RWB said:

If you like them, buy them. Don't expect any coin collector to like them, Plan to lose everything you paid beyond the bullion value.

Very few want altered coins in their collections, and that is what these items are. Would you buy a 1909 cent with an "S" glued or painted on it?

There is a market for them already folks are paying way way over melt value for them in 69 and 70 grade being high premiums on modern market … just saying … that’s sorta like saying well a Morgan dollar is only worth its money in silver , when we all see collectors pouring out hundreds and hundreds for a Morgan dollar which by way most are plentiful even in the average 65 grade … they bring a premium because collectors make the market so … I modern bullion coins in low mintages and so on making their own market among collectors that are willing to pay way more than melt value it’s not all classic coins anymore 

On 7/16/2023 at 10:51 AM, Mel_in_PNW said:

I'm curious then, why was this 2013 AU coin graded by NGC???

 

It’s because the mint that it came from Perth mint? or where ever it’s came from that’s the “standard” they colorized it there’s proof by the mint they did so it was documented as well … that’s why NGC/PCGS accepts them for grading …

when buying “raw” colorized coins ? you have to research make sure you’re buying a coin that been colorized by mint and it’s documented with that respective “known” mint who is offering the coin or bullion for sale… 

On 7/15/2023 at 3:15 PM, VKurtB said:

On that dealer’s page on MA-shops, I see a whole bunch of sketchy looking coins.  I believe this dealer knows all too well he’s selling fakes. 

Exactly the seller has 2 pages of mostly all RAW gold coins ? Little fishy there too easy to pop a few fakes in between all them gold coins and rip someone off and deny it 

@EagleRJO that’s a good example you showed of ASE that been painted by third party owner/seller … That won’t grade at NGC/PCGS more of novelty item I would’t spend too much on that however not sure how much of a pain? It is to paint that like that with precision… however I’ve seen them before look cool something different ASE are massed produced in large numbers I wouldn’t buy one not my cup tea ….

I’ve seen some colorized coins done by Perth mint and few others mints the coins graded out in NGC/PCGS holders my wife is big fan of Tuvalu rotating charm coins they have a small rotating ball in middle of the coin… I buy them every year for her they have low mintage of (3000) anyways a few of them have that paint (colorized) on them done by the mint …They are raw but I have seen graded samples of them I have no intentions sending hers in for grading … that’s about only colorized coins I have in my collection (well her’s) not really mine I had hard time finding a few of the earlier years like “Yin/Yang rotating Tuvalu charm” “Dragons and pearls”  I had spend little more than I would of liked to spend on (modern coin) just to get it for her it was slim pickings ! I couldn’t find any other for sale at time … If the wife happy then I’m happy whatever goes 

On 7/14/2023 at 2:52 PM, JT2 said:

those bullion coins that have been painted are considered damaged by collectors

I disagree with this statement … only reason is I have seen these type of coins being graded , however the modernized market many many of colorized bullion coins been graded already by both PCGS and NGC… I do not consider them damage I believe they only accept painted coins for grading that been done ONLY by the Mint that made them 

I tend to shy away from painted modern coins  , one time my wife really wanted this peacock coin she was looking around online (although she doesn’t collect coins nor does she care about my coin collection!) … I said I’d get around to buying it “someday” I was busy spending my money on stuff I wanted for my collection , well that was a mistake ! Today they are upward $900-$1000 last I looked … I should of just gotten her one when they were going for $100 when they first came out with them … if she keeps nagging me about it again,  I’m gonna tell her we gotta pawn off that old engagement ring I gave her 26 years ago … I don’t spend that kind of money on modern coinage let alone colorized coins 😂 my coin collecting money too precious to spend on stuff like this 

With blurry pictures like that I thought it was “tripling” and not doubling  thought I needed my eyes checked 👀   …

Over all it looks like normal wheat cent if you see any slight doubling? It’s most likely die deterioration from worn out dies during a production striking.

On 7/13/2023 at 12:41 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Does the site guarantee authenticity or offer refunds

 Joachim Schwiening started MA-shop they have an office here in USA also Europe as a well however they cannot guarantee authentic of coins posted on their selling site ,  same can be said about EBay and other platforms as well cannot guarantee it either …..they sell both US and world coins but it’s mostly European dealers and few other countries have dealers as well 

However MA-shop does have a good reputation , they can remove or ban dealers for selling fake coins and not honoring wrong doing like refund , dealers have to pay a “fee” to conduct business through MA-shop… Most dealers I’ve encounter were helpful and honest I’ve had no problems , I’m a little confused why MA-shop didn’t help the OP with his counterfeit gold coin? MA-shop is more of “middle man” however EBay is same way they side with a seller all time … PayPal will honor refunds but is not always guaranteed but they do their best to try get you back your refund it all depends on seller as well 

On 7/13/2023 at 12:44 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I'm not sure why commemoratives did so well for a decade.  Partly $$$ flowed out of other stuff and I suspect the supply of commemoratives were relatively low.  The TPGs maybe drove pricing, too.  Maybe folks thought like gold and silver and coins made of those metals that went up 10-20 fold, that commemoratives would also go up 10-20 fold.  Probably were infomercials that I never saw or forgot about, too.

Most of them are low mintage , sadly a lot of them toned rather ugly today they need a good dipping , however there’s some stunning toned commemorative half dollars also some very high grades MS67 that still pull premiums but the collector’s crowd interest dropped over the years just about every dealer now a days have some classic commemoratives for sale they sometimes just sit in inventory for long time never sell well … I read a articles back then dealers and collectors were desperately looking for the original boxes that came along with these coins when they were issued , which we rarely see today the original boxes what happened to them ? I have no idea I hardly ever see a original commemorative boxes for sale … again I’m not really looking for them anyways 

You are correct the market crashed right around when TPG was taking off with plastic slab technology probably why they may have seen a major spike in prices but dealers couldn’t get enough of them to supply demands … why such a sudden demand ? I don’t know maybe another member on here who experienced buy/selling in that market at the time can shed light on it 

On 7/13/2023 at 12:20 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I believe commemoratives were the only coins to go up in the 1980's...everything else was dragged down from the 1980 Bubble in coins and PMs.

This false belief in commemoratives helped lead them higher and higher and when they finally got creamed after the 1989 Coin Bubble, they've never come close to eclipsing their old highs.

It was an interesting market for sure , they shared their glory in market history as for folks who shelled out the high dollars for them back then ? OUCH!!! 

No such thing as 100% perfect no two coins taken off press stop definitely positively not identical to each other … just nearly impossible if you want get technical about it look at each “perfect” coin under a powerful microscope I guarantee you’ll see flaw difference between the two coins that are so called “perfect”… Never ever will Machine nor man ever be 100% perfect … I still can’t tell difference between MS/PF 69 VS MS/PF 70 not with a 10x loupe 

Commemorative classic half dollars was a fine example of hostile market in early to mid 80’s …. Tons and tons of money was spent and wasted on these “red-hot” coins to watch the market all sudden collapse and sudden huge price drops ! Today these coins can be easily purchased and assemble in a collection 95% of them are in affordable price range from grade MS63-MS66 

I posted this to show for education purposes what a Real Gold 1898 10 guilders looks like compared to the OP’s counterfeit coin 

That’s one of the reason I try not to buy very high end coins overseas … however I do buy a lot German coins on MA-shop in the past …. If it’s something high end I buy for my collection I always research it and only buy it graded by PCGS/NGC (yes I know there’s fake holders with fake coins) but it’s the risk we take  … however I never had bad experience on MA-shop I been buying from dealers on there for years but it mostly German coins ….

Lately I haven’t been buying anything on there the prices have gone way way way up for my taste everything been marked up high… I’m waiting for prices to drop a little it might be a looooong wait for me … I been doing better price buying wise in auctions and other private dealer sites… 

You asked a good question …. Newer folks getting into the hobby often get proof and business strike mixed up … in most cases a Proof coin is NOT rarer or scarce , however a Proof coin is NOT a grade it is a method of manufacture the way the polished up blanks and dies to strike proof coins they also strike proof coins a few times  at higher pressure to bring out the best in the coin  …

however on another note it is harder to get a higher grade on business strike coin made for circulation compared to a proof …. 

then There is some proof coins that are scarce and rarer due to limited of mintage they made which is why you might see a high price for a proof coin in certain series , and even world coins as well 

On 7/9/2023 at 11:54 PM, USAuPzlBxBob said:

Anyone buying this stuff has a completely different motive from that of a "true" coin collector.

From Littleton's perspective, it is a hope of fostering future "true" coin collectors.

Inexpensive dreck to attract whomever.  Nothing to get riled up about.

You pretty much nailed it …. I myself welcome the newer modernized collecting hobby even tho I collect classic coinage I do like the looks on some of the newer bullion coins hitting the market that is supplied to the newer crowd and generation of collectors …

I notice us older collectors can be somewhat domineering towards newer collectors pressing our conservative beliefs on what coin collecting should be (mostly classic coinage)… it’s not a one size fits all market anymore 

Is this a joke? If that were the case I’d reach in pocket everyday and try sell my change for triple the face value we’d all be rich if it were that easy … what you have is not “vintage” at all nothing but Pop machine pocket change … hope you stick around learn more about the hobby and what to collect and what to avoid … might want start of learning how grade certain coins before you buy them, read some numismatic books then decide which coins you would like to collect US series ? Or world coin type ? 

On 7/6/2023 at 10:04 PM, ottoabc said:

Thank you all for your thoughts… I am in no way trying to get a higher grade… the only thing I am trying to do is get my coins in some semblance of order in one grading company and NGC or PNGC seems to be the two most trusted… I sent coins to be graded by the other company because they were less expensive… I am just trying to make it easier for my family but also would like to keep the same grades of the coins… again, thanks for all your imput…

I’m a little confused here do you have the older small white ANACS holders ? Or are they in the Yellow/blue labeled style ANACS holders ? In my opinion the yellow/blue labeled stuff from ANACS is a 50/50 shot if that grade is accurate or not they tend to over grade a point or more not saying ANACS is bad I notice they also tend to detail a lot coins not that PCGS/NGC won’t but a lot people send cheaper lower problem value coins to ANACS for grading they aren’t really worth the merit or time and expenses sending them to NGC or PCGS paying high submission fees to have coins graded ….
 

However the old small White ANACS stuff is pretty conservative on grading they may have a chance of upgrading at PCGS/NGC on todays market again I won’t send a coin in unless it’s worth at least $150+ or more to be evaluated and encapsulated by NGC/PCGS (A lot of coins just aren’t worth hassle sending in for grading the market already has plenty of the coins already graded) we leave them in raw condition in 2x2 or air-tite snaps , dansco album or in their old graded holders and call it a day either that or trade/sell them for better coins … I wouldn’t buy a bunch ANACS coins then shell out more money to have them Regraded by NGC/PCGS I would lose money there , that I could use to buy other coins for my collection ….
 

Only exception I would make unless the coin is Hot on the market in demand it’s in an old white ANACS holder and I plan to sell it ? I would crack it out and send it in to PCGS/NGC have them grade it wait for for the results to come back that only if I intent to sell it right away which I rarely ever sell any of my coins once I buy them I keep them for loooooong time just the way they are… so in meantime you got something to think about , my advice is show us some pictures on here we’ll let you know if it’s even worth sending into PCGS/NGC you’ll thank us for helping you save money 

I consider 64 , 65 ,66 the collector man’s coin …. The 67-68 stuff is more for registry builders the prices are marked up for the that stuff other wise I don’t participate in to registries so I’ll settle for 65-66 any day I’m not worried about getting “rich” off my collection nor am I looking at it as a retirement “slush fund” when I retire or something … in fact I hope one of my kids take my collection I don’t want a dime nor a cent back from it other than I had enjoyment putting it together … so this very very high graded stuff is not for me that’s not my goal in my collection if I was doing registries I would look at it differently   
 

Awesome set to own , very nice set however I don’t think all of them will grade out PR67 … more like PR66 or PR65? It would interesting if you do send these in for grading ? Check back with us in the results … unless you choose to leave the set intact as it has been for all these years …

On 6/26/2023 at 11:36 PM, powermad5000 said:

someone was playing with a vise in the garage or basement.

That would be me , one of my many hobbies include pressing coins in a Vice and going to the local parking lots and tossing them out in random spots and waiting for newbies to hit this post with their errors they found … just kidding