Jason Abshier

I always considered a Specimen coins first few stuck for approval . Before production before striking for circulation … either Piefort , Essai , pattern pieces a coin that wasn’t really meant for circulation at all or medals (Exonumia) I consider a specimen not everyone agrees with that term but it been beaten like a dead horse a time or two with everyone weighing in on what is really considered a specimen for not …

On 9/23/2023 at 10:06 PM, cobymordet said:

On an off-topic note, this 1917 coin is cool to me.  Jason, you got any of these, hopefully in better shape...

Yes I’m working on German Notgeld Collection , however I’ll never be able to fully complete it ! I have a catalog book on German notgeld it’s 700 pages full of notgeld coinage …. Very interesting time in Germany after WW1 Germany went through hyper-inflation each territory (states) in Germany produced emergency money made of iron ,aluminum , porcelain, brass coinage …. Here’s few examples I bought within last few months for my notgeld collections … they are pretty difficult sometimes to find in Gem condition mark free the iron and aluminum easily corrodes… I’ll have look your’s up in my book see what territory it came from when I get the time … right now I’ve been busy with work lately , I have other examples of notgeld coinage in my collection as well mostly high grades 

On 9/8/2023 at 4:16 PM, cobymordet said:

I will be posting a couple of German coins that almost look like proof coins.  Thanks again, I will message you tonight/tomorrow when I can get them scanned and posted.

I look forward to it , if you and your father plan sell some German coins I may be interested I'm working on proof high grades in 2 ,3, and 5 mark series for my collection

@cobymordet that morgan will not be a MS63 its badly cleaned notice on her cheek you see all lines going same direction harshly cleaned also luster is dullish as well anyone who been collecting for a lot years can spot that coin miles away with a naked eye it been cleaned badly or whizzed only worth melt value now  

@cobymordet I'm a far cry from an expert , nor will I ever be... I'm just a humble collector who studies a lot on what I collect....  there is types of 2 marks during that era they had KM# 124 (1969-1987) , then I see the one you posted in your picture KM# A127 (1970-1987) only difference I see is between the two is the bust of Theodor Heuss (the first president of the federal republic era) on the obverse of the coin...as for errors I see all kinds of german coinage with minting errors and planchet flaws, like off struck center , split planchet , lamination errors, "true" double dies and so on... some are worth some money only to a collector who collects that type of coin which is a very very small crowd (very small fraction compared to small crowd of hardcore US error collectors) ... So high marked up priced German error coins don't sell well most collectors overlook them 

On 9/6/2023 at 10:00 AM, cobymordet said:

Jason, thank you for looking into these coins for me.  I was wondering if you have found any websites with adequate referential information regarding mint varieties/errors for German coins (in English, preferably).  Also, regarding the pictures of the 2 Mark pieces, I realize these are current era coins with limited upside, but the lettering seems extremely fat when compared to other 2 Mark coins I've looked at.  Any opinion on that?. 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/germany-federal-republic-2-mark-km-a127-1970-1987-cuid-1129134-duid-1318019

@VKurtB gave a helpful link as well I use that site as well to study on certain world coinage 

I don't see anything unordinary about your coin other than it was honestly circulated like it was supposed to be used so it has some wear possibly id take guess by photo its in "very fine" condition grading is graded same way as US coinage for wear... Possibly later stage strike when dies were wearing out the die deterioration causing lettering to look thicker along with circulation wear (not sure if its the photo but it looks like DDD) what I call false doubling what we also call DDD pretty common on German coinage just same as it is with US coinage due to dies wearing out.

I've been getting lagging and crashing on my iPhone using safari search engine been going on for last 3 weeks ... however google search engine on the computer seems fine so far .  

@Hoghead515 conder tokens were more of of European thing back in 17th-18th century or perhaps earlier … they were made by small mints to cover small denomination coinage shortage in certain areas …. Tokens are a whole collecting ball game of its own (often under appreciated and over looked by collectors)  , there are books and catalogs on tokens some are rare other aren’t worth much at all .. it’s almost like collecting German Notgeld coinage after WW1 going into Weimar republic years tons and tons of different designs on Notgeld coinage each territory had their own minted coin and design,  mostly made of brass , iron and porcelain coinage nice examples are worthy and other examples are worth nothing I have a catalog about 700 pages full of German Notgeld coinage…. Hard to believe they pumped out that much coinage in short era before third reich rises in power for WW2 
 

As for USA, I have no information if they used private Conder tokens to barter for goods in the colonial times ? 

On 8/28/2023 at 4:59 PM, J P M said:

I think most of these posters know exactly what they have 99 % of the time. They just want to see what they can get away with and what we will say.

That’s why I don’t come on here much anymore… all this “error coin” stuff is ruining these forums we all used chat about the real hardcore numismatic stuff and not dumb parking lot pocket change or made up goofy errors ! 
 

I don't see this nonsense spewed on daily basic on other coin forums I’m a member of , so why do we see this daily nonsense on here in the newbie section on this forums??? I don’t just get it … Not only that the NGC site been lagging too lately probably overloaded on servers with too many trolls on here posting stupid stuff for like one day , then changing their name to post some more nonsense for next day on and on 

Most of my German coins I have to really study the auction prices. Most of NGC and Krause price guide is just for reference to me not really a price point NGC basically only goes up to MS63 a lot time they don’t have listed prices for German proof coins… I always make offers if I’m buying if I’m buying directly I try stay on lean 10%-20% below what that last price was going for sometimes I get it sometimes I don’t … it’s how it goes other time I’m stuck paying that price or little over … however the Bidding on certain higher up coins …. The price is not really available it’s more based on how much someone willing to really pay for it that’s what I like about world coins sometimes it’s can really surprising to see what something will really go for unlike US coins it’s pretty much solid price is price point within a ball park everyone has easy access to price guides , auction reports , Grey sheet and so on narrows down what one should really pay out for a certain coin 

On 8/18/2023 at 1:27 PM, zadok said:

...been there done that...the real question u have to ask urself..."Which bothers u the most, the missed opportunity of losing the coin or buyers remorse if u overpaid??"...answer that n u know what u should have done....

I’d be telling a big lie if I said I didn’t over pay for certain coins in my collection . Then again I have no intentions of selling them anyways they sit in my collection never see market again …. Other coins I have flipped in on trades for upgrades , but most of the stuff I’ve got winning through bids are my keepers … to answer your question last night’s bidding wars on heritage hit me with “missed opportunities” then again I got the chance to watch a sorry high winning bidder have to pay out the high BP ! Ouchie …. That may or may not have affects on current coins I collect if another one happens to pop up for sale or Bid in the same grade it’s going to drive the prices upward based on last current bid price…  how much more ? Who knows but it usually goes up after that rarely will it fall downward not much tho depend on coin or grade … but I get what what you’re saying I’ve had my fair share of it as well 

On 8/18/2023 at 9:57 AM, Redline68 said:

Always loved the bear designs on Switzerland Bern and Canton coinage ! It never gets old with me if you like this design I’d suggest you look at some of the medals they made back then with the Bern bear on them really cool !  …Anhalt Germany also adopted the bear design walking on brick wall On the earlier year German thalers 

however I’m not to familiar with this reverse design on back of this particular Thaler it almost looks like old Frankfurt German Thaler (taler) design (I believe Frankfurt only used 1 headed eagle not to sure I’ve seen double headed split eagle made by Frankfurt maybe a shooting medal)  …I guess it was a pretty coming design back then in some parts of Europe with the Eagle crest , Russians adopted the same almost looking eagle crest design as well years and years later I never found much information as to why they adopted that type of eagle crest design your’s far by the oldest dated Thaler I’ve seen it used on so far 

@J P M I’d say the Top pop “US coins” hold more merits (harder to get) compared to a World coin that much easier to get the Top pop …. That wasn’t the case for me last night on heritage auctions … I was bidding on 4 different lots Top pop German coins (1 or 2 of them were 2nd best not really top pops) …. It was Signatures series night I was bidding like a heavy hitter over a couple grand on each coin I really wanted for my “life long collection” (coins I put away in my collection that will never ever be for sale again nor will ever see market again until the day I pass on) ….

Man ! I got my butt beat bad in Live bidding I had to pull out it just got way way to extreme for what I wanted to pay for each coin … they drove the prices through the roof it was probably most intense bidding wars I’ve been in for long while on German coinage , new prices levels I haven’t seen increase for long while once sleeper coins were awakened again last night through heritage auctions …. Just hope I get a 2nd chance at them coins again someday in future they are on my hit list just need pack a some more firepower next time they show up for sale 

If it were me I was in bind or limited on money or if that’s all I could afford … I’d go with Mercury dime as well so count my vote in with @ldhair and @Coinbuf… old school PCGS holder with a bean on it ? Take it ! Over the rest …. If you do decide buy the green bean Mercury , contact me through private message I have another old school Walking Liberty with a CAC Green bean in my collection that was left back when I sold off 95% of my US coin collection and switched over to German coin collecting ….  I’ll happily let you make an offer on it to go along with the Mercury CAC if you’re interested anything to help a new collector out get on right track with some decent coins but not overly priced ,  it’s within your budget of the coins you showed in your post if it makes your day … It not like I’m really trying to get rid of it or anything like that , I may have an old school Mercury dime or two in old soap bar ANACS holders ANA holders I might let go too 

Pretty much how us hardcore world coin guys feel when we need buy a coin for our collection it’s “Top pop” no price value is listed for it … only worth as much someone willing to pay for it … I own several and several Top pop , “rare” (or I’ll shall say seldom seen) proof German coins and high end Mint state coins and medals the “finest known”  they are only worth what auction prices are listed for them because I won them auctions …. Now if I put them back up for auction will they hit same amount ? Higher ? Lower ? Who knows “Top pop” stuff is little hard to determine a real ball park or solid price for it … what’s it’s like owning Top pop coins ? Eh ? It wears off after a while treat them just like any other coin I have in my collection, what’s it’s like when you got a Top coin it holds for awhile , then some lucky person gets a higher grade than your top pop ? It’s Heart breaking sometimes 😢 HA!😂