Jason Abshier

23 minutes ago, Woods020 said:

Pretty sure he meant he targets to pay 80% of retail. I think that’s a number a lot of people would quote. Unless it’s a once in a lifetime or has amazing eye appeal. So your $200 coin he would set a target buy or not to exceed price of $160. 

I was about to hire him , leave my coin list with him he would be able to get them all for me at 80% off . I almost believed my dreams came true 🤣

4 hours ago, Coinbuf said:

 I then target about 80% less of the high retail

80% ? Really I have see that to believe it if a coin is worth $200 (retail value) you want to only buy for $40 ?  

1 hour ago, Woods020 said:

Greysheet is retail pricing

I always though Greysheet was wholesale sight seen coins certified , bluesheet  was for sight “unseen” wholesale both raw and certified Coins either one was no where near yearly posted retail values . I guess I was wrong 

I only use NGC/PCGS price guide for graded coins as reference I like PCGS sometimes because they show auction prices for some of graded coins that have sold it shows prices scattered for a range of coins in different grades I narrow it down a lot time I only deal online with “best offers” on coins a lot dealers are workable some of them don’t mention they accept “best offers” but it doesn’t hurt to ask . Another place is heritage auctions and few others gives you better idea what people are paying . Is buying the price book practical when we have power of internet to google whatever we want ? 

Greysheet is nice it doesn’t do you much good as the “buyer” the Greysheet is for what a dealer buys coins at wholesale on a spread it gives you an idea what a dealer should or would pay for your coins if you were to sell to dealer only 

6 hours ago, VKurtB said:

Don't try to pronounce DuBois in central Pennsylvania. You'll be wrong. They insist on "do boys"

Altoona is another one that sounds like “Al tuna” 

A majority of high end world coins are “top pop” cause not many of them were sent in for grading you often see the Top pop in graded NGC/PCGS world coin and medals category that can change in next several years from now when more and more world coins or medals are being sent in for grading it’s a slow growing market in the US here and small crowd of collectors with a heart and passion for true numismatic beyond US coinage

1 hour ago, Alex in PA. said:

The proper pronunciation for that small, flowing ripple of water is 'Crick'.  Creek is a Native American nation.   

Warsh-rag is another word I always say that throws people off or warshing-machine . Go warsh the dishes I often tell my wife when she gets on my nerves 

15 hours ago, VKurtB said:

Outside of the Philly local accent and the “Dutchie” accent areas, which also strangely affects some areas around Pittsburgh, most of the populated areas of Pennsylvania are absent a discernible accent. Penn State, the Capitol region, the Allentown to Easton I-78 corridor, pretty close to a neutral accentless American English.  

Us Pittsburgh natives have odd accent like we say “crick” instead of Creek ! Or yinzers… few other odd words we say that puzzles people 

2 years ago I went down Camp Lejeune to see my oldest son he was station at Marine Corp base . The wife and I went down rented a beach house near the beach and to see him for few days for his re-enlistment sworn oath ceremony. I asked him what cooked meal he misses the most back home ? He said “Islay’s BBQ chipped ham sandwiches” I told him I’ll make it now back at the beach house, went to store deli section asked guy for chipped ham . He was confused I told him Pittsburgh style ham he had no clue ! Funny I told him set slicer up cut ham paper thin and chop it against the blade into crumbled pieces … All it is chipped ham , ketchup , little brown sugar or molasses, dill relish and little corn starch thicken up sauce and burger buns … And there ya go got yourself a islay’s BBQ chipped ham sandwich   

1969-s double die you’ll know it when you see it you can’t miss it “in god we trust” major doubling and in Liberty as well … I’ve only examined one at coin show few years back never found any in my penny searches 

55 minutes ago, RWB said:

Only living, reproducing creatures can have a pedigree (a list of ancestors). Anything else has a provenance (chain of ownership).

I’ve never seen coins breed before to obtain a pedigree , when folks use that word I think of a dog’s pedigree and it’s ancestry where it came from . but it sometimes mistakenly used in coin collector’s world . 

Get yourself cherry picker’s guide , most of the older dates coins already been covered , newer modern stuff is found from time to time … I’m not error collector but I have friend who collects a lot error coins , your coin is pretty banged up and worn down even if there was an “error” on it too damaged nobody would want it . Also the more worn down and banged up a coin gets it gets hard to see the errors on it . But if error collecting amuses you buy the book study and study as much as you can and good luck welcome to forums as well 

1 hour ago, RWB said:

The distributor fro most of my books is Wizard Coins Supply.  The Saint-Gaudens double eagle book is available only from Heritage Auctions, and Whitman published my Peace dollar book (4th edition).

I definitely look into it . Thanks for information … I was drinking a yuengling beer you name on here popped up 

I gotta get me some RWB books to go along with my RWB beer ! 

11 hours ago, Walter Holmes said:

I would preferred damage was to the field and not to the focal point of the design. 🙄

That make more sense to me , I can live with small nick or gouge in the outer field of the coin or around the rim edges but not smack dabbed right in middle of the coin’s design , if it were plain old bullion like a silver eagle for investment purposes I wouldn’t mind … it’s like collecting Morgan dollars a lot of them have scratches and scuffs all over the coins from being in mint bags we have choice keep looking for a better Morgan with lesser scuff marks it is what it is . But proof coins struck for collectors there shouldn’t be any marks like that each customer pays the same amount money to receive the mint’s best of the best . That’s why they make proof coins for collectors to show customers how good they can mint a coin or how good their QC is when they are striking coins for collectors .
 

Although I don’t plan on sending any of my silver coins in for grading they don’t warrant the price tag to me to be graded but I still like and admire a collector’s coin that was well struck and handled properly before it arrived to my door 

8 hours ago, VKurtB said:

There is no right to a perfect coin. Never has been. What are they supposed to do with coins with tiny marks? Scrap them? Get real. 

They are supposed to fix the problem right there before it creates more problems down line , it could of happened at end of production …. I work in machine shop for living setting up CNC machines and manufacturing precision bearings for customers believe me tight tolerances are a must there not short cut or “if it got a scratch or dent we’ll send it out anyways hope and pray customer understands us we tried our best” …. Time is money to some people, a good experience machinist doesn’t scrap parts especially large parts weigh over 1-2ton big solid chunk of steel …A good  QC person makes world of difference 2nd set of eyes make sure everything measuring right all tolerance are clicking in before it ships out to customer …. Yeah maybe my machining background is interfering with way I’m look at mint making modern coins with newer technology coin presses and better dies with nicks , gouges , scratches are not acceptable should be fixed . Or if someone is handling them rough before encapsulated them ? That person should be trained better … so getting real ? Goes a long way me when it comes to manufacturing 

@Walter Holmesdid you get your coins through Pobjoy mint ? I’ve heard of other who ordered from that mint weren’t to happy with their customer service or minting they did on some coins … Funny farm mint ! Probably have a QC guy with poor eyesight wearing glasses thick as the bottom of glass coke bottle looking at those coins coming off the minting press 

7 minutes ago, Walter Holmes said:

I was advised today to let the mint know in advance if I want the coin graded. They  will increase the price slightly due to extra handling and selection. 

Are you serious ? They said that ? Lol! If they told me that I wouldn’t do business with them again . That’s BS right there they are supposed offer clean , honest business and fair prices to each and every customer, the prices shouldn’t increase because you want to have the coins graded. Sounds like they were being smarta** towards you about it or simply because they are too stupid or don’t care or have Q.C looking at coins when they are striking them …

Low mintage coins? Each coin should be carefully struck few times on high pressure to fully bring out best of the dies on the coin and handled right away in capsules .
 

My coin I’m sending it back to vendor who I purchased it through in return he shipping me another one back , he will ship the one I’m sending back to him back to mint to get a replacement 

Sorry hear about your father passing away …. The Krause price guide book is for world coins , if they are older Great Britain coins most of the old old Great Britain coinage is worth something they were made of out silver but they are plentiful there are several world coins that carry high premiums if you know what your looking at … but sounds of it your father was collecting in bulk loads at one time and still to today a lot coin dealers sold world coins in bulk loads … The US market and collectors/dealers tend to look down on “world coins” like they are trash or something nothing better than US coinage at one time it was easier to buy scarce world coins because dealers didn’t want anything to do with them they focused on US coinage and market for US coins … Now a days some dealers see some world coins are worth more than some US coins they are starting to grow in the market today but still a “small crowd” of collectors 

but some of the designs on world coins , makes US coinage look plain and simple like they were minted by little kid engraving the dies at the mint some of world coins the designs and dates that go way way back painstakingly engraved in dies with fine such details (some aren’t worth anything but only beauty in the eyes of beholder)… Take your time to learn about them , separate all coins in to country , and denomination break it down from there look on eBay or auctions to find out what coins you have 

also some people collected to be collectors they didn’t care about future “how much money am I going to get for this and so on” some folks didn’t see collecting like it was their retirement plan so collecting lower value coins was their goals just to put a collection together … 

You’re not alone I just ordered a ST. Helena Queen’s virtues Victory angel silver round that has nick just behind the Queen’s eye ! Your post Jinxed me ! I’m sending mine back 

9 minutes ago, J P Mashoke said:

Ya those are goofy looking ,what will they come up with next to get our hard earned cash.

Probably come out with a 5oz Morgan and peace dollar 

I feel your pain! Did you get these directly from the mint or dealer ? Hopefully they take them back . Hopefully you can get a replacement if they aren’t all sold out . You should contact mint directly show them the pictures of gouge on the coin 

39 minutes ago, Woods020 said:

Still baffles me that what was intended to be bullion gets the fanfare and grading wars that it does. 

I’m in the same boat as you scratching my head what is all glitter and glamour about graded bullion ? I can see building registry then again there’s hundreds of top pop coins being graded by end of the year prices slowly start to decline for that graded coins I can see some graded bullion with low mintages (1000-3000) especially low mintage proofs I can see them in graded holders as a collectors coin along with pure bullion metal  . It’s cool it keeps the grading companies busy other than that it is what it is dealers see this as market opportunity I’ve seen dealers get rid of 50% of their classic inventory just to focus on modern bullion because that’s what sells for them the market is Definitely an odd one sometimes 

I know few collectors who spend a lot money on top pop 70’s they don’t even do registry I ask them why they prefer 70’s they say it’s the cream of the top believing there going to be a very market hype in future , to each their own sadly if one of them coins tarnish or get brown spots all over it , it’s gonna be a total lost 

16 minutes ago, Alex in PA. said:

2021 Canada 1 oz Silver Maple Leaf $5 Coin GEM BU  .9999 Fine sells 25 to 99 for $34.00

I was always told thats the way to do it , if a person wants to get the most for their money when buying bullion for precious metal buy silver bullion in bulk . If you buy one at time you’re wasting your money sometimes on high dealer premiums for a single silver round .

39 minutes ago, J P Mashoke said:

I have my full set of ASE  one D cam one proof and one 25th Anniversary and that is good enough sending out any of the regular ASE's to be graded that may come back a 68 or 69 is to much money unless one of them skyrockets for some unknown reason. When I can buy a MS70 in a clean holder for $55 it is a much better choice in my book

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Welcome to the 70’s club … yeah that’s a good buy for 70 grade coin considering the slabbing fees and shipping insurance and cost and long turn around time . Sometimes it’s just easier to buy the coin already slabbed by dealer or another collector save yourself the hassle , what’s been going on that I learned is a lot of these modern silver bullion coins are getting the 70 grades at one time it was hard to get that grade prices were really high (seems now grading have gone on lose side of market awarding 70 grades have gotten out of hand) .
 

Now a days its more easier to get that grade prices have fallen for some years in 70 grade because it so common to see them in future if someone has piles and piles of silver eagles to send in more 70 grades enter market the prices collapse even then everyone will have 70’s club coins unless they change Sheldon grading scale to 1-80 then a bunch of coins will get cracked out and resubmitted .
 

Which I do feel will happen someday in future collectors/dealers will get bored of getting 70’s all time they will beg to have Sheldon scale changed once again just to have a money driven market for modern graded coins 

14 hours ago, Alex in PA. said:

And that's all they are IMO.  Dealers like to place a large markup, especially on the graded ones as if they are 'scarce', but in the end all you have is silver bullion.

Kitco silver = $25.80 per ounce

Pinehurst coins = 2021 uncirculated Silver Eagle sells for $39.16 if you buy 20 to 99.

Speaking of bullion coins , I noticed bullion coins from other countries carry nice premium over some graded silver eagles , some of the world modern silver bullion coins are worth sending in for grading even if it comes back graded 69 (depends on mintage if it’s low some series bullion is less than 1000 minted) . I have about a dozen or so bullion coins I’ve bought raw still thinking about sending them in at end of year for grading probably just send proofs in for grading since I had pay over $100 for them since they were scarce … the rest of BU coins can sit in airtite capsules not worth sending in right now unless there’s a demand for them in future ,nice thing about some world bullion coins is you get a different design about every year in series unlike silver eagle same design in long series just a different mint mark , year date . It does gets boring looking at same design year after year