Jason Abshier

That coin looks like someone was messing around with a hot soldering iron melted it either that or it’s lamination error lamination bubbling away from zinc underneath thin copper coating . You’ll be surprised a lot error coins ain’t worth nothing or even worth writing back home about or sending in for grading is wasteful money as well double dies and so are pretty common these days unlike a 1937 “3 legged Buffalo” or “1972 double die Lincoln cent” ,”1955 double die Lincoln cent” just to name a few are the more common types of errors that bring premium money 

2 hours ago, VKurtB said:

What's "scarce" is anything under a 69.

I knew a collector who was putting together a whole set of 68 graded ASE he told me it was definitely a challenge to find a 68 grade each year 

14 hours ago, Gofiga said:

Just found em

I’m so jealous you have bigger coin collection than I do ! 

I think iPhone screen protector is made of tempered glass no way to cut it if you try it will crack easy from what I’m told . But tempered glass is very strong harder to deeply scratch it , when you drop it of course it cracks on impact but it doesn’t shatter.
 

Then they have flexible films that are crystal clear they can be cut to basically any size or shape you want they can be peeled off easier and put back on I may look into that I send a few manufactures a email see what they say or if they can send me a few samples me thinking only around the coin needs protected from scratches the rest of slab doesn’t matter , why hasn’t NGC or PCGS offer something like that for slab coins they would make more money adding a little more protection to the coins they are grading for years collectors battled and complained about scratches on slabs there no excuse why grading companies can’t sell some type of film to lay over slabs for protection 

1 hour ago, gmarguli said:

Have you submitted any modern coins to the TPG? I get 70s all the time when submitting a single example.

Lately I haven’t for last 6 years or so , but I do have a lot raw bullion I bought from while back along with some world coins and world silver bullion that I have to send in for grading 

50 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said:

Not true. The V75 ASE grades at 70 77% (that's a low %, 80+ is more common) of the time from NGC, 2021 - BU, T-1 ASE's 67%. I find 75+% to be the norm for, proof and 60+% for BU ASE's in the last five years. I imagine the 2021 Morgan and Peace dollars will fall in that range as well, if not higher.

What % of that is based on early bird big load bulk shipping VS a guy bought one coin raw held on to it for a whole year then sends a few coin in every now and then ? 

8 hours ago, gmarguli said:

Order 100 Christa McAuliffe or Law Enforcement commems and submit them bulk to either NGC or PCGS and I bet at least 40 of them come back 70. 

Most average joes don’t have money to buy 100 coins to send in bulk like that ... if I were to buy 1 alone raw myself and buy few more raw coins and send them in at same time big dealers are sending in bulk submissions chances of me get 70 on my one little measly coin is a long shot ...

if 40 of them do come back with 70 grade , why such high prices for something so common ? The average Joe now has to pay 3x-4x for a common coin with a 70 grade seems like a it becoming more common to get that grade only in big bulk submissions 

On 5/24/2021 at 7:52 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

Not only am I totally PO’d about this latest UsMint scandal, but the greed I am seeing from “Dealers” selling confirmed pre-order purchases on FeeBay for what looks like $249, according to items sold today! There are hundreds and hundreds of these already listed on FeeBay. The picture are ones sold today already. The greed is like hoarding toilet paper and then selling it to the highest bidder. I am so irritated and discouraged, it want me to dislike numismatics! I won’t buy anything from the USMint again. I can get ripped off at a lesser level almost anywhere.

truly disappointed, but I did expect the explosive nature of this stupid release and the artificial shortage that the mint created for their own greed. If they could make millions of these, why don’t they. Obviously they could sell them.

 

 

That’s what drives the prices up on modern market it is what it is . There are dealers even with “pre sale” MS70 and PF70 guarantee! Prices for some issues are already sky high it cuts out the average Joe never even had a chance to buy the coin raw and send it in himself for grading (of course the average Joe would get a MS69 or PF69) VS a big time dealer that’s keeping the grading companies busy slabbing coins . Someone always bites the bullets on 70 grades building registries each time a hot coin set coming out of the mint with a low mintage you’re always gonna be up to challenge against the big shot dealers  

I myself should reach out to a company who makes very thin temper glass screen protectors see if they can cut me to slab size for NGC slabs perhaps more of crystal clear plastic than temper glass . As for PCGS they would have to made as circle type pattern for the protector to lay down just above the coin ... it’s no brainer I have no idea why nobody came up with that Idea after all these years battling scuffs and scratches on slabs is collectors should’ve have to send coins in to be re-slabbed for severe scratches that won’t polish out a protector will make a world of difference  

On another note I don’t know I haven’t looked into yet but it been on top of my head for years ... why hasn’t anyone come out with a very very thin crystal clear protection film you lay over the slab sorta like IPhone you can buy super thin glass that sticks on the face of an iPhone or iPad to protect the surface from scratches and scuffs when it gets all booger up peel it off and put a new on one simple as that . I don’t see why slabs can’t have that 

Some NGC slabs are hard to buff out with just a simple rag and some polish solution . Some scratches are so deep right over the coin you do have to sand the slab with 2000-3000 or even 8000 grit mesh you can get at auto store .The finer the scratches the easier it’s to buff out me however I use a drill press with 1” and 2” foam polishing pads , I set drill press spindle speed on slow use Novus #3 heavy scratch remover go over slab a few times with let the polish and drill press do the work I only focus on around the coin area the rest of slab I don’t care if theres tiny scratches , then I swap out a different foam pads for each polishing compound soulutions so I don’t mix up grits in polishing the slab each compound has a different grit in it to remove the finer scratches left by using heavier compound ... I use the meguiar scratch-X 2.0 is last step to polishing the slab. PCGS slabs polish a little easier. Novus #1 ? That stuff like liquid that can be used to wipe on plastic, I think it’s a anti fog soulution or something I don’t use Novus #1 ... every plastic polish has some kind of grits in to remove scratch each brand will pretty much work it’s how fine the grits are in the solution also depends on rag your using and how much pressure you’re inserting on the rag while buffing don’t use paper towels they are abrasive the leave behind hair lines ... The softest rag I found were these white fluffy rags my wife bought from dollar general in auto section of store she used them for polishing furniture around the house one side is fluffy and other side microfiber very very soft type of rag . Every rag will leave some type of scratch behind very very tiny hairline scratches it’s what it is 

Novus #3

Novus #2 

Mequiars scratch-x 2.0 

I’ve seen people use EZ-coin cleaner it’s basically a dip (no rubbing the coin) it mostly works on silver coins ... anyone collect Morgan dollars seen enough “blast white” Morgans they were dipped at one time there no way anyone back in late 1800’s had a way of preserving or storing coins (long term storage) so they can be blast white in 2021 like the day they left the mint sparking new and shiny ! It’s basically impossible ...

NCS will clean a coin before it graded by NGC. Does it hurt value of coin ? Possibly if you don’t know what your doing .. There is another product called MS70 coin cleaner I’ve seen them use a cotton Q-tip to rub the solution on the coin that’s a big NO-NO any type of rubbing will leave hairlines on a coin’s surface..

Also an ugly toning also decreases value of coin it is a 2 way street , take for example you see MS65 peace dollar $250 (blast white) then you see MS65 peace dollar with brown darkish toning $250 which one will you buy ? however I never met anyone who could NOT resist a beautiful rainbow tone coin rainbow coins should never be dipped , bottom line there is a correct way and wrong way to cleaning coins if it’s done correctly it can increase value of the coin I won’t lie about that cause I’ve read up on a lot of coins that gain value after the proper dipping to remove ugly toning notice I said “ugly toning” just to don’t over dip coins or carelessly dip coins hoping for higher grades. 

I been buying most of my coins online the last few years I buy a lot ! World coins , old US classic coins , modern silver bullion ... I find a lot coin slabs to be scratched up badly even freshly new slabs , I used to have a love for collecting the older NGC “fatty soap bar” slabs as well I always look on back make sure hologram not ripped off by dealers stickers. Some dealers like to sell older “surviving holders” for little more premium if hologram is ruined I’ll give a discount offer most decline the offer and coin sits there collecting dust cause they thing it worth more in an older holder 🤷‍♂️
 

Then again I should ask a dealer would they wash their car with a steel wool Brillo pad and take a wood chisel to scrap off some bugs before they try to sell it to someone else for top dollars ? Some coins get tossed around in dealer inventory like it’s nothing I’ve even seen some coins that cost upward $5,000 range full of scratches just irritating don’t some sellers and dealers even consider that slab it part of package when buying a coin? Oh the joys of buffing slabs!  time for me to get my novus plastic polish out and start buffing usually when I’m done buffing out slabs those coin remain in my collection for many years they don’t get another scratch on them I’m sure there a lot of us buy coins online even with good pictures then get in mail see it’s all scratched up 

On 3/31/2021 at 10:01 PM, EdG_Ohio said:

While on a German theme.....I picked up a Germania Mint coin to go with my steins I collect also. These were brought up on another post elsewhere and I decided I needed one.
 

Germania series is an interesting coin they are on my list of coins thats, I myself want they have some really cool designs 

Take it to the dealer he’ll give ya .24 cents for it gotta make a profit on it 🤣

Looked like something that came from Franklin mint , they would take a worn down beat up coin and put it in fancy holder sell them to uneducated coin collectors they used sell this stuff on TV all time too . Your coin looks okay it not junk ... Me ? I’d take it out of the holder throw it in garbage and put the  coin in a Mylar 2x2 flip start building yourself up a nice average circulated Morgan set put in coin page book.

If you want to collect authentic “graded coins” only stick with NGC, PCGS , ANACS , ICG are most common you would see on big auction sites like EBAY ... all the other coins you see in holders or some weird name your not familiar with on holder beware of fake coins and fake slabs circulating on EBay and other places 

Very true there are 3 V’s on back on standing liberty quarter and 1 V on the front I forgotten that one however I did mention there was a V on standing liberty “qvarter” perhaps We are all used to see the obverse of the coin 

24 minutes ago, Alex in PA. said:

 

Fiducia is the Latin word for trust.  

In the Latin language originally there was no letter “u”, only “v”. Or rather, there was no distinction, between those two letters. They didn’t have lowercase letters, either.

I stand corrected ,you said it better than what I could it basically spelling for Trust , not The Latin wording or pronunciation for trust . Both standing liberty quarter and peace dollars have it 

On 5/13/2021 at 2:05 PM, proud potato said:

huh craze so it in god we trvst crazy

TRVST is the Latin word for trust 

We’ve all seen coins that were graded low and high that is scattered across all TPG even the old grading companies like PCI , hallmark to name a few and old ANACS holders were usually graded conservative at that time crack’em out send them in you’ll be surprised some come back 1 grade higher or dead on for grade I’m not guaranteeing they all will grade like that but I heard many of stories from collectors who cracked out coins in old ANACS holders got better grade from PCGS/NGC I myself have few old ANACS coins I have no desire to crack them out , I’ve seen some nice Morgans under graded by PCGS in old holders but again it to each collector if they agree is under graded or not . That’s why we have TPG grading these days if anyone remember haggling with an older dealer back in 80’s he would write GEM on 2x2 Morgan that would grade ms62 maybe ms63 but No he wanted top dollars for his Morgan the haggling was brutal sometimes back then (not to mention I’ve seen a lot scratched and dented coins on the rim back then from dealers using stapler to put staples to close to the coin in 2x2 holder)

So thanks to TPG sure they don’t get every coin right on the grade until day we see advance computerized grading things might straighten up . They have tried computerized grading in the past they abandoned the idea never tried to improve it , I’m sure in near future we will see advance accurate computerized grading after all who wants to spend say $40k on a coin to later find out everyone else don’t agree with the grade and nobody willing to pay upper price of that so called “high caliber coin”. Does anyone like to talk about 69 and 70 grades? Not much of a difference there. 

that’s an interesting read I always wondered about rooms where they grade coins , and where the coin is slabbed . Then the rooms also at the mint as well how clean is it there ? We also seen coins in original mint packages and capsules tarnish over time to be blamed on home environment of the collector who owned the coin , how can NCS conservation dip coins to clean off residue and tarnish ? but if a home collector does that the coin is deemed damaged or cleaned do I think dipping coins are bad ? No some coins do benefit dipping unless it’s done right I believe there are several Morgans and older walkers at one time were dipped to remove tarnish and possibly light spots 

36 minutes ago, J P Mashoke said:

Here is a shot of the Milk Lady, or maybe I will call it pollen falling off her branches

That will eventually turn darker over time it’s difficult for some collectors to hold raw or even graded modern silver coinage for a long time without it getting specks and milk spots on the coin , best thing to do is inspect your coins every month or so if they are spotting sell them off buy a better coin to replace it if you can. If I was holding it just for bullion I wouldn’t worry about it which I do I have a lot bullion I haven’t looked at for long time I’m sure it’s full of brown spots and milk spots after being locked up in the vault for 10 years. I use bullion to feed my classic coin collection when prices go up I dump some on the market only buy when prices go down a tad

we have to keep in mind the dealers usually only give you spot or tad lower for silver coins it is what it is so an ugly spotted coin is an ugly coin but it shouldn’t lose its silver melt value simply because it’s ugly 

8 hours ago, RWB said:

The highly polished mirror surfaces only make spotting more distracting.

Very true , on some business strikes tiny pin needle spots don’t bother me much , highly mirrored proof coins tiny spots show up easier it would no longer be a 69 or 70 (IMO) heavily discounted coin unless someone doesn’t mind it can get past it but PF69 1984 Olympic dollar is not a high end coin plenty of them to go around and pick from. I’d just buy a better looking one spot free I’d throw ugly one in the slab box let keep turning brown and ugly waiting for silver prices go up and take it to gold and silver buyer as junk silver no use to even trying to clean or dip a highly mirror proofed coin 

Some of modern silver coinage and bullion reminds me of Peace dollars are a victim of the ugly brown freckles scattered all over the coin  I don’t know what it with peace dollars I’ve seen tons and tons of them ugly full of brown freckles I’ve only saw a small handful over the years that grew a nice target rainbow on them unlike Morgans probably due to fact Morgans sat in bank vault in bags that contained sulfur over all years produced that rainbow toning