Jason Abshier

Ask yourself this one , 1886-O a serious Morgan dollar that fetches nice premium in MS grades but you got it for $35 ? Sounds too good to be true . The coin looks fake , take good look at field of the coin the texture of metal looks really off . But hey! we all learn luckily your’s was only a $35 mistake . My best advice to newer collectors save up your money and buy a nice authenticated Morgan graded by NGC or PCGS … Do not buy raw coins and hoping of sending them in for grading that’s for a more experienced collector… also have ask yourself if that was a true genuine 1886-O Morgan dollar why is it raw ? The seller would have enough common sense to have it graded and sell it for nicer premium ?  

Depends on how the coin looks , if it were me ? I’d sell both the MS63 PCGS and MS64 ANACS and upgrade to MS65 or MS66 in PCGS/NGC … They are a common date Morgan that can be found anywhere , any day! So I wouldn’t miss them selling them both turn around buy myself a better upgrade in a heartbeat 

like RWB said census grading reports aren’t really reliable to go by , PCGS sometimes shows auction prices for certain world coins that were graded by PCGS and NGC give you an idea what certain coins are selling for , then theres several auction houses selling world coins as well . I myself collect world coins as well most of the time I open up Krause world coin guides there are several series that have no mintage quantity or prices for grades nor can I find any information of them online or if any sold but they have picture of the coin and KM# in Krause book makes you wonder if it’s really a trial piece or rare rare rare coin? Thats the thing about world coins make you really do your homework sometimes we just slam into a dead end that gets nowhere with no information . US coins are easier to understand with the market and all data the US mints aren’t that old in history but they kept decent track of minting data we can look back on for information 

On 7/26/2021 at 7:55 PM, Melissa6456 said:

My question is it says if the coin is worth $25.000 its $350 + tier which I dont know what tier means and I knew u had to be a member to submit so I just bought the $25 membership and if the coin is worth $10,000 its $175 + tier.$3,000 is $80 and $300 is I think $18 well if you've never had them graded before how do u know if they're worth $25,000 or $10,000 and so on because that's what we're asking them to do but they're asking us to determine the value of our own coins and we're not professional traders and I'm unsure if I have a couple of double dies or not I dont have a microscope so I guess I'm just gonna have to call ngc customer service

I’m sure if someone submitted a $25,000 coin they would do the walk through tier I wouldn’t send $25,000 coin in mail and sit around waiting for it to be graded I’d drive there myself . If your asking for inexperienced person sending some coins in for grading ? It probably best to see local coin dealer get idea what coins you have what are they worth more sorta like a appraisal some dealers will charge for that. Most collectors know what they have I’m sure if someone mistakenly send a $300(max value) coin in $25,000 tier Grading NGC will contact them ? Perhaps ? Or if there is some other mistake NGC will contact you about it … Now if you bought the coin raw ? Your value of each coin you’re sending in for grading is what you paid or what the current Raw market is for that coin in that condition , thats easy look up a bunch places see what they are selling for price wise that = value 

INB ? coin grading basically like basement slabber, a lot over graded coins , their grader is practically blind as Stevie wonder no joke 

@Quintus ArriusI also like the Hungary 10 gold korona as well they are on my list of world gold coins as well I haven’t collected any yet but a lovely design on gold coin that’s a must have for a collection 

@Quintus Arrius Not yet , but gold roosters are on my list of world gold coins I want own a few of them for my collection not the real high grades like you collect but I’ll settle for the typical gold roosters low MS 63-65 

@Mr.Bill347 IPhone will take suitable pictures I found natural light like from a window at 2-3 feet away lay coin flat , stack some books up rest IPhone just over the edges of book about 4”-5” above the coin , zoom in on iPhone camera to fit coin full screen shoot away, then crop the photo makes it look even bigger I found (natural light shows what coin will look in your hand with a naked eye) … lighting is another issue like RWB said about proof coins are a little more tricker . I found LED lights to give best lighting when I need it . But most of time I strive for that “natural look” with no artificial lighting to change colors sometimes it’s not always practical we have to add that lighting getting the lighting angle right can be a pain in the butt sometimes ! 

I’ve found good deals on MA-shops , collectors corner , great collections to name a few I also buy coins on live actions over seas never had any problems . I rarely find a really good deal on eBay anymore , maybe from a large dealer who has a large overhead operation they sell a bunch coins on eBay I can haggle with them , but the smaller sellers that have like 20 coins listed they won’t budge on prices real hard to haggle probably because of seller fees ? Maybe ? Either that or they are inexperienced collectors try to flip a coin from a huge marked up profit 

also bought a few good deals on Facebook market place I met a collector at coin show to buy a coin off him , but very very “few”good deals on Facebook market place 

@J P Mashoke you are correct about some counterfeit Spanish reales , as well as any coinage . I myself been collecting German coinage for last 6 years I have Krause book just for German coins with over 1,000 pages of nothing but German coins from 1600-present modern day … world coins are interesting so many roads and doors to open with world coinage you’ll never get bored ! Some are ugly , some are drop dead gorgeous, some are plain Jane , some are just down right cool ! … reason why I went to German coins because of my heritage then it became addictive to keep collecting German coins my favorite design is German Baden state designs . My wife is maya Indian from Guatemala soon I’ll be starting a collection of Guatemala coins I’m sure I’ll be running into some Guatemala reales just like a Spanish reales hopefully they ain’t Fake either … but I buy both Raw and graded world coins 

Lately dealers got smarter with the ANACS coins aren’t always cheaper simply just because the coin is in an ANACS holder it sells cheaper than PCGS and NGC , I see a lot of ANACS coins selling for almost close as NGC coins and some close to PCGS if the coin indeed really looks nice … maybe some of the “uglier” ANACS coins sell for cheaper ? Or problem coins I noticed ANACS details a lot of coins for cleaning where PCGS will pass that on or NGC will detail a coin for harsh cleaning 

On 7/23/2021 at 8:29 AM, J P Mashoke said:

LoL it better be  I like the online version it is updated daily and makes my coin look like it is worth more ...up to $150 today and that is without the VAM 37A it has   I think the fat rattler slab is worth more.

 

This price guide was from June 2021 probably out of date already … I don’t collect Morgans anymore I used too , maybe someday I’ll come back start collecting them right now I’m focusing on my German world coins . Prices for world coins are tough not a lot data for world coin pricing the price guides are out of date sometimes , really have haggle around prices on world coins mostly I used auction prices for world coins even then some prices are too high 

On 7/23/2021 at 8:20 AM, J P Mashoke said:

I look for the old ANACS and fat rattlers all the time around here they are hard to find. I think they got found out a long time ago and are mostly re-graded in my neck of the woods

A lot of them have been cracked out and submitted to PCGS and NGC, if you go to a coin show sometimes you’ll find a few goodies in ANACS white holders or old PCGS rattlers … they are become scarce and scarce as the years go on with all the grading wars and hype going on sadly a lot of them are being cracked out … I buy a lot old holders even tho I think a coin can upgrade I leave them in old holder … there plenty of other newly graded coins to buy in higher grades leave the old slabs alone  

@J P Mashoke a guy I work with is a PCGS member he gets monthly PCGS price guide your 1884-O is in the price guide MS64 $80 

Although a lot people bash ANACS but for newer collectors joint the hobby.  when you look back in history of TPG , I’d say ANACS is the granddaddy of them all they pioneered the way to what TPG grading really is. although a lot dealers and collectors say PCGS was first true TPG Service maybe so on market grading with a fancy slab at that time then along came NGC but too much credit was given there (they just didn’t get that idea out of the blue unless it wasn’t for ANACS at that time) 

On 7/22/2021 at 6:11 PM, Conder101 said:

When ANACS first started grading (1978) they used paper certificates.  They didn't start using the small white slabs until 11 years later, and then almost immediately afterward the company was sold to Amos Press.  Almost all the small white holders were issued by Amos Press.

@Conder101You’re correct I forgotten all about ANACS photo grading coins long before slabs ever came out they took photos of the coin obverse and reverse of the coin then put it in plastic bag with the grade card those are rare to find intact as well on today’s market 

Looks like artificial toning gone wrong . 

On 7/20/2021 at 11:17 PM, ldhall said:

Thanx, very much  I have been using NGC and PCGS online price guide  

PCGS and NGC price guides should be used for reference , don’t go by the prices listed they are high retail prices I see a lot sellers on eBay pricing coins exactly what NGC and PCGS priced in their guides and websites (where they get those prices ?) I have no idea !!!! Grey sheet is more accurate but it’s pricey … However PCGS does show Auction prices for certain coins you can see what people were paying for coins at auctions and even Ebay auction as well … You do is take High retail prices and auction prices , then narrow it down to what you’re willing to pay for a coin close to (recent auction prices) . Then go bid on coins but set “your price” and don’t go over it .. Sure you’ll lose some bids , thats the way it is you’ll also win some bids too. There’s deals out there just have to find them searching around online and private dealer websites with inventory (make them an offer) what’s worse they say? No . Most dealers are open to offers they don’t tell everyone that they expect you to know that and how to haggle but most of them are motivated to sell coins at offer prices 

Back a little while ago NGC made pink insert holder for 2018 breast cancer awareness commemorative silver dollar

On 7/21/2021 at 5:26 PM, VKurtB said:

Spoken of the “four letter” TPG. Whatever else you want to believe, it is indisputable that their dealer network has drunk the Jim Jones purple Kool-Aid of that firm.

They started drinking something else after they removed David hall out of his own firm when he was one of the the one’s who basically started it all . Immediately terminated him I still haven’t found out real story why they did that ? 

On 7/21/2021 at 4:53 PM, Haskel said:

PCGS is 2nd best in my opinion. Dang sure better than anacs js 🤣🤪

ANACS is good for error coins and varieties that have a long data base for that purpose more than NGC or PCGS has . ANACS glory days of good grading on rare coin market are long over … Thats why I prefer older White ANACS holders back in the days when they first started out grading they were strict on a standard (some of the white holder coins are on the money or little under graded on today’s market) . PCGS and NGC over took the market under a different grading standard “market grading” that’s where ANACS got thrown under the bus they didn’t adapt (when they did try to adapt PCGS and NGC shot them out of the air with the market grading) ANACS could never catch up . However they still have loyal followers that keep them alive . But I have found some nice graded ANACS coin in the older slabs. However ANACS does make it little easier for anyone to send them coin for grading unlike the bigger guys NGC and PCGS (membership only) blah blah blah wish they would be a little more looser with the membership especially PCGS and (their cult driven dealers claiming only PCGS coins are more superior) 

On 7/21/2021 at 1:33 PM, Haskel said:

Been there done that. NGC is fare superior in grading in my opinion and those willing to adapt and gain popularity and ground with the younger future coin collectors will prosper 

I agree with you you got some nice Star war coins , where’s all the silver basher people at now? “oh that just silver bullion you wasted your money buying that it’s only silver nobody gonna buy it for more than melt !”,  “looks cool but again its only silver bullion” or “don’t send that into grading it’s not worth it , coin must be over $150 or more to be graded”…

I Myself am a classic coin collector, I was guilty of saying some of that stuff towards new collectors ,seems like some collectors haven’t (accepted) that there is a “new market era” of coin collecting and collectors today . I’m finally starting to dabble around and venture in the new market of graded silver bullion and gold and modern coins I buy few here and there . It’s the next generation of collecting I see nothing wrong with graded silver bullion with low mintages . After all our hobby need to stay alive with newer collectors it’s a new era and times are changing 

A lot Morgans are overrated with bogus claims stating they are rare when there thousands and thousands to choose from in all different grades higher grades depends on how deep your pockets are but it doesn’t make them rare, not like 1933 Saint Gaudens (now that’s rare) 

morgan dollars are the most common coin collected just about every collector probably has few or bunch of Morgan dollars in their collection pretty common coin to see not saying there isn’t scarce years in the series like I said deep pockets play in that ball field when it comes to scarce Mint state Morgans they will always have a love affair with American collectors