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I don't know about fire, but maybe some tiny rocks underneath it and it got ran over in a parking lot a few times. That coin has had a rough life.

Pics of both sides of the coin would also be helpful in this situation so we could see if there was anything bizarre on the reverse as well. Being the area in question has been determined to be incuse, this is definitely a struck through error. There could be any of a number of things flying around the mint that could have gotten caught in between the dies during the strike (lint, thread, wire, blanking scrap, etc.) Whatever it was in this case I am thinking was not a hard metal object as that would have definitely affected the final image after the strike and the 1 and the 9 appear to be intact as well as much of the detail of Lincoln's suit. Therefore, I am thinking this was something compressible like possibly pieces of cardboard.

Welcome to the forum! Feel free to ask about your coins, but for your future postings be aware we need clear, cropped photos of both sides of the coin as well as a clear closeup of any areas in question, and please ask a question. Some people post a coin without a question. The photos provided in this post are good enough for this coin. Being you say it is oval in shape (which may be hard to tell from the pictures) makes me think of those machines from when I was a kid that you used to put a penny in it and turn the rollers and it would put out a larger oval coin. Some of the machines had marketing images put on the rollers so it would counterstamp them into the coin for novelty purposes or promotional purposes. Your coin, being you state you participate in metal detecting, was in the ground and suffered heavy environmental damage. I do not see any doubling on the reverse and if anything with the coin being enlarged some of the details got distorted.

Thanks for posting your dime on the forum Bart! From your inquiry, I learned for myself that there is enough pressure on the planchet from the dies to make the metal flow into all spaces, even larger erroneous spaces. I am always grateful to learn more. With the explanation you now have, I am wondering if you are planning on submitting it as a mint error? The dime itself has lost full torch designation but still seems to be in the low MS range (60-62). I don't know if you are a member of either NGC or PCGS already and would not have to incur that as an additional cost to submitting the dime, but if so, I think if the coin were to sell it would come close to at least a break even on the grading costs. Might even make a little more if bidders in an auction started a bidding war.

We may not like it as the ASE's have become more of a Mint marketing plan, but it seems to be working on the general public. Lots of posts on here with people asking about taking their ASE's out of the OGP and submitting them. I am guessing they are doing this in the attempt to get that MS 70 or PF 70 UC grade and thinking they will make money off of buying ASE's. After all the submission costs, I am not sure there is any real gain to be made as there is with other past coinage where the difference of one grade point can mean thousands of dollars in value. I can only fathom that the percentage of ASE's coming out of the Mint that qualify for the 70 grade are a small percentage of the total made, so they have the public chasing after value that isn't really there.

A very well circulated, badly damaged quarter.

My bad. Sorry. I think the OP just isn't sure what he has.

Sandon was suggesting it is possibly one out of maybe two possible varieties, not that it was struck twice.

Yes, NGC still does 5FS as well as 6FS. Too bad I don't have pics of the reverses of my nickels with 5FS and 6FS. I have a 43 P MS 65 5FS and now I really wish I took a pic of the reverse of that one.

The pics are either too blurry or too magnified. I do agree with Mike that it could be the FS-501 variety. Maybe post some better pics for us with the D upright, and a good clear closeup of the D not under super magnification, and we could do better to verify what you have. With the coin's wear putting it in the VF range, good pics are critical to be able to determine this.

Good luck on the Franklins! I am at about 70% on the series in a minimum of 64 FBL.

There may have been an extremely slight shift in the alignment, but being the entire image, lettering, and date is still visible, I am sure this is quite within mint tolerance and also would not add any value to the coin as it is. I have a 1977 Roosy with the W completely gone in the In God We Trust motto, and submitted it as an error, but It returned graded normally with the too minor specific. I believe misalignments and off center strikes do not get mint error designation until it is at a minimum of 5% off center or alignment.

Thank you! I appreciate the information. It will help me to better decide which coins to send for conservation in the future.

This question is for NCS. Can coins with altered color or altered surface have those alterations removed with NCS conservation?

Thanks for that! I actually never read that subpart. I am wondering if they can do something for altered color. I now have a mission to find out.

I think when it comes to ASE's, whether MS issues or Proof issues, the real value comes when it is graded as a 70. Grade of MS 69, or PF 69 UC (DCAM) only command so much value in the marketplace. I think this applies regardless of year of mintage (except for some of the mintmark issues that were low mintage numbers). Although I am not a collector of ASE's (I do have 5), I don't think there has been any marketplace "explosion" in value over the years. I would say the value has modestly gone up due to demand, but once again I think the collectors chasing the 70's are willing to pay the big bucks to get 70 on the label. IMHO, I would save cash if I were to be trying to put together a full set of ASE's and I would buy everything graded in 69 and not pay the premiums to get graded 70's. To the naked eye, is anyone able to tell the difference between a 69 and 70 unless it happens to be one major blemish? Edit add : I have noted some sales of recently minted ASE's selling for $200 because the label was signed by someone, or they were First Strike, or First Day of Issue, but I can't justify paying those prices (probably which turned me off completely to collecting ASE's). That is buying the label, not the coin. It is supposed to be the other way around.

I have (no offense intended) always been critical of some of the PCGS grades being "inflated". I have found NGC to seem to have the toughest grading standards so I only submit to NGC and if I buy a slab, I will always try to find it NGC graded. Of the roughly 425 slabs I own, only 2 are PCGS. Just as an FYI. I have done several crossover experiments. ANACS usually grade the same, or in two instances NGC graded them higher. ICG have graded down 1 numeric in the proof experiment, and down 2 numerics in a silver Walker experiment.

I agree with Sandon. I have seen many Lincolns with that area of weak lettering on the reverse. On strike through errors, there is unevenness in the surface as the metal flow is not normal but either pushed aside or an object struck through will leave pits or grooves depending on what object was in the dies at the time of the strike. Struck through heavy grease will impair the struck image, but also will result in small pitting of the surface as the layer of grease affects the metal flow of the image and also is a compressing layer on the clean fields. This coin does not show evidence of a struck through error.

If I am not mistaken, NGC grades coins using 10X. An actual microscope is not necessary and also not useful. If you have to use 200X to see something on a coin, it is not going to affect its actual grade. And yes, the quarter is highly circulated with mechanical doubling and enough wear that some details are actually worn off the coin.

The only time I have had NGC recommend a coin be sent to NCS for conservation is in the case of PVC contamination (in which case NGC will not slab a coin with PVC residue), which NCS is able to remove. I am not 100 percent sure if NCS can remove verdigris, but I believe they are able to do that. I would contact NCS and verify that. Conservation can stabilize the surface of a coin to prevent further damage, but conservation does not reverse environmental damage already imposed on a coin. The worst that could happen is if you send them for conservation, and NCS rejects them for their services not being able to help the coin. I don't think you get charged if they don't work on a coin, but I could also be wrong on that.

I'm waiting for Central States and plan to blow all my dough there. Enjoy if you do get a chance to go!

Aside from that, the plating itself is compromised due to further environmental damage and is showing the damage it did to the original surface. Now it is just a badly damaged cent.