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To our Grand Master:
I see where a great many males (sex, assigned at birth) have fled for reasons better left unsaid to the other side.  What intrigues me is Zero Recall on my part as to the presence of any questions regarding the care, custody and control of coins on my part as well as any self-report on my part of being of the Caucasian persuasion on official Census forms.
I thank Roger for setting aside time from his busy schedule to broaden the body of knowledge of collectors on this Forum and accept the results of his findings, unconditionally and unequivocally.

Q.A.:  But it's two, sometimes more against one.  Can't I weigh in?
🐓  :  No offense, but you're just not smart enough.  Besides if you were, you wouldn't have posted the question in the first place.

Respectfully,... am I to believe no one in positions of authority was aware of the problem?  No one reported it?  No one advised the Director to inform him of the development, much less apprise him of the steps being contemplated to correct the "malmintage?" Where were the inspectors and quality-control personnel?  What about the guys servicing hubs and starched collars?
My point is:  When a problem like this lands on the Director's desk, it's too late!.  If it'd've have been me, I would relieve from further duty all persons involved immediately, and assure the Director measures have been put in place to insure there would be no repeat of this debacle emphasizing my statement with the quote, by pledging my Life, my Fortune and my Sacred Honor on it.  
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Privately, on non-government memorandum or letterhead I would remind the Director that had he secured the necessary funds essential to the efficient operation of a modern mint, as requested in previous correspondence, none of this would have happened in the first place.  🤣

Your 1885 has a beveled edge, not the square edge of a proof, and abrasions on Liberty's cheek that are indicative of its having come from a bag. There are flecks of mint frost in the fields that are consistent with the coin's being a prooflike circulation strike, not a proof. Actual proof Morgan dollars are quite different in appearance from prooflike circulation strikes.

It is a good looking 62 it looks better than any of my 62's We cannot see the coin in hand, but I think if you send it out for a regrade you would lose the DMPL. 

...worse yet 3 who already have one....

I am troubled by this finding perhaps more than I should be.
Why should it be the concern of a government official in the nation's capital to insert himself into a situation, the precise dimensions of which were as yet unknown, when there were staff available in Philadelphia ready, able and willing to tackle the problem head-on?  You cannot micromanage the affairs of a production line from afar. That's why effective directors delegate responsibility to trusted associates.
Under King Ed Koch's tenure in  New York City, he never answered a question from the press regarding police, correction -- or sanitation matters.  Instead, he would state, for example: "I have a police commissioner.  Allow him to brief you on the matter."
Any "damaged" coins have long since been discovered and voluntarily surrendered.  "I pledge my Life, my Fortune and my Sacred Honor on it."  (To sticklers for proper attribution, I credit the plagiarized line quote to the signers of the nation's Declaration of Independence, 1776.)
 

Nice try, but no cigar. No tri-colored ribbon for the pin and bars. Years 1912 and 1913, conventions were held, but this member either did not attend or did not purchase a bar for those years. De Profundis may have been made popular by Oscar Wilde, but it is much better known in other circles. As for the metal and links, well that’s another story. 
As for the meaning of the number 14, that has not been confirmed yet - but it was not the mintage. ANA President Zerbe, at the time, was the driving force behind the ANA convention medals. By the way, the first convention was held in 1891.

Note:  The following account, a flight of fancy which bears no relation whatsoever to the truth is presented as an ode to every man, woman and child whose contributions to the Forum were presented in good faith only to be mauled by members whose credentials appear to have been dominated unchallenged by those whose words over an interval sufficient enough to make newcomers, unschooled in independent research, accept them and repeat them as one would gospel truth, buoyed along by a practiced form of mindless herd instinct.
We are presented here with what appears, at first blush, to be a common ANA pin replete with links and bars. To the unacquainted, it appears to be genuine.  No one dares mention why the years 1912 and 1913 are unrepresented. Perhaps no conventions were held in those years; perhaps there were.  To the trained eye, the package is inauthentic. ANA pins were made, but they were not rendered in what appears to be copper. Links were used, but the standard number was three with five used to distinguish the annual plates from the medal.  As hereinabove mentioned, these presentation medals were rendered in the standard copper-nickel alloy.  The links used were made of steel anchored to the medals and plates with silver frames.  These metal fixtures were used to keep inevitable tarnish to a minimum.  Even with the utmost care, metals subject to direct contact with environmental air, will suffer tarnish, copper most notably.
As regarding the obverse, the Latin inscription, de profundis, literally, "out of the depths" made popular by Oscar Wilde in a letter written from Reading gaol, as used in this context, has a significance lost to history. The "I Dream of Genie" lamp resting on a modest tome, entitled: "Ancient Mystery," too, has been lost to history.  One can only assume the number 14, stamped rather ostentatiously on the reverse, refers to its "mintage" in a limited production run. The medal originally festooned with tastefully-sized tri-color ribbons of red, white and blue, but are inexplicably missing.
This concludes my review of the ANA medal, which I remind viewers was spun from whole cloth, posted to promote dissenting commentary and is subject to removal by Moderators at their sole discretion for cause, or no cause at all.  

I AM NOT A GOLD BUG!
Now, If viewers will pardon my blatant plagiarism...
"We start believing now that we can be who we are.
"Gold is the word.  It's got a groove.  It's got a mean-ing.
"Gold is the time, is the place is the mo-tion.  Now, Gold is the way we are feeling.
"Gold is the word.  Is the word.  Is the word.  🐓 
Props to GF1969.  You heard it here first in this topic.
 

Great detective work here, Mike!  You really went the whole mile and made Seattle Slew (back in 1977, for the newbies) look like a straggler at the clubhouse turn.  Now we are left with the questions we are forbidden to ask... which highly-acclaimed, reputable dealer sold the OP this coin, and for how much?  (Parenthetical comment:  anyone who makes a mockery of denticles, if found, ought to be drawn-and-quartered in lieu of a trial by compurgation.)  

You.may be right.  This thread rapidly descended into classic z-pekinese. You know... ... no collector is obligated to disclose the extent of his holdings... this information is private and confidential... if you receive a phone call or written survey, you have the consitutional right to decline and remain silent.. if these unknown parties persist, you have the option of blocking them... and if they show up on your doorstep, unannounced, you have the right to exercise your rights under the Second Amendment... Of course, if the unanticipated guests are representatives of an arm of the Federal Government, you may wish to retain your composure and suggest they get in touch with your barrister... there is an app for that... it is commonly referred to as a retainer devised for just such emergencies...  

...i can read ritin' but cant rite readin'...r u 'llowed to draw pitchers?....

Yes, because the one thing you can ALWAYS count on is coin collectors being chatty about what they own. /eye roll so huge you can hear it
Face it: most of the most advanced collections today are cloaked in 100% secrecy. If ANYONE knows what’s out there, it’s the dealers that top collectors are working with.

...survivability factor considerations...known to exist, frequency of availability....

...worse yet 3 who already have one....

This forum is not your personal venue for hawking your coins. The marketplace forum is the place to sell coins. Please stop spamming this forum.
And, while I have your attention, intruding on other posters threads, trying to sell them coins for which they are not looking, is in poor taste.

Welcome to the boards!!! 
 
IMHO - The leading indicator is mintage, and the lagging indicator is survival.  Therefore, you can have a low-mintage proof that is not really "rare", because many of them were saved.  Likewise, you can have a business strike that is slightly higher mintage than some of its peers, but because these coins were not saved - they did not survive.
How a coin that is not saved becomes more scarce: Think about the 1932-D Washington Quarter.  While I would not consider this coin "rare", it is more scarce than the 1932-S counterpart (which has a lower mintage).  Why?  More people saved the 1932-S.
How a saved coin makes the issue less scarce:  Think about the 1950-D nickel.  Also, not a coin I would call "rare".  However, this coin is a key date that wasn't, because it was saved in large quantities.
Note: One thing that always bugs me in how some collectors talk about rarity is basing the rarity scale in terms of condition.  As stated above, I base rarity on the number of surviving coins available.  I do not subscribe to an R.1 coin being described to me as R.6, because it is at the top of the condition census.  I would always consider the coin R.1, but certainly respect the difficulty of buying coins at the top of the condition census. (I do know that commercial TPGs do mix rarity and condition, but I think this is a mistake).

In the COMMERCIAL sense, what makes a coin rare is an excess of demand over supply, usually by a wide margin. In the TECHNICAL sense, rarity is determined by raw mintage. There can be a coin for which only 5 exist, but only 3 people want it. 

Just wanting to warn anyone with an ebay account that within the past week or so your shipping address may have defaulted to a prior address if you have an old one on file. I would immediately check your info and make sure any purchases you have made within the last week are going to the correct address. I am not the only person this has happened to. What a disaster.

...straight grade au58....

Bandit (left) and Chimney (right) say BUMP THIS THREAD!

For the record @RWB I contacted you when this project started. I read your book. My question to you would be have you read mine? Thru science and technology the claims made are proven with handwriting analysis showing two distinct designs, 3D scanning proving a different Galvano were made to correct Brenner’s design, how Barbers version was annealed over Brenner’s version creating the earliest known Class III. I would be more than happy to send you a copy…you have my email address….reach out anytime.

Three members have weighed in twice on this fairly straightforward query.  I would be a fool to speak up now, but as difficult as it may seem to believe, I do have a thought...
First and foremost, it is refreshing coming across a humble post, that refrains from insisting we recognize a flaw or error of some kind otherwise invisible to all but the OP. You have a -- let's see, can't call it "fine"; can't refer to it as a "specimen" -- how 'bout a lovely LHC! 🤣
Funny how the cost of production of Lincolns shifted, as an issue, when the price of copper rose and the Wheaties went the way of butterflies, but resurfaced with the newer memorial cents whose intrinsic value, rather than being openly discussed, is swept under the rug of susidization by larger coins. I still feel their days are numbered, but yours is worth keeping.
Some folks collect arrowheads; I like Indian Heads. Cents, not heads.
 
 

Based on your photos, I see no indication that your coin was struck from either an obverse or reverse doubled die. (It would be extremely unusual for both the obverse and reverse of a coin to exhibit die doubling.)  I see no doubling of any kind.
  NGC will generally only attribute varieties that are listed on VarietyPlus, and there are no listed varieties for 1993 cents.  Lincoln Cents, Memorial Reverse (1959-2008) | VarietyPlus® | NGC (ngccoin.com).  I understand that PCGS also only attributes certain (better known) varieties and that ANACS will attribute more minor ones, but they would have to be recognized by some respected authority or be a significant new discovery. 
  Have you checked such sites as doubleddie.com and varietyvista.com, which list more varieties, for a match?  You could also post photos that show where you see doubling for our opinions.