GoldFinger1969

On 4/13/2022 at 3:41 PM, VKurtB said:

I would never be surprised by a mint marked 5 ouncer making MS70, but the bullion strike might be a surprise. The curved Apollo 11 5 ouncer looks like an ashtray to me. “Coin of the Year”!

I want to get one of those, I like the holder it comes in that looks like the Moon surface. 

On 4/12/2022 at 12:44 PM, SirDubre said:

Hi all, Looking into buying an SS Republic Coin. However, no pricing guide is available.

Always check recent (last few weeks, last few months) actual auction prices:  Heritage, Great Collections, StacksBowers, Ebay.

On 4/12/2022 at 10:21 AM, VKurtB said:

Bullion strike?

I think so....the ATB series, or the commemoratives that we see from private companies.

On 4/11/2022 at 9:10 PM, VKurtB said:

Yes, I know. Modern PF68’s are a lowball rarity. 

On larger coins -- esp. 5 ouncers -- more likely.

On 4/12/2022 at 6:37 AM, Moxie15 said:

Counties in Florida used to have tangible and intangible taxes (I no longer live there so do not know if they are still in force) so I doubt they are unconstitutional, and they are workable. This is basically an intangible tax. 

I believe they ditched them.  Virginia used to tax cars.

Wealth taxes are clearly problematic from a constitutional perspective.

On 4/11/2022 at 7:34 PM, Coinbuf said:

Something to keep in mind, any legislation enacted written as the current proposal would not have any direct effect on anyone here, as proposed it only would affect the top 1% of the wealthy. 

Yup, just like the income tax.  Only gonna target the rich !!  

On 4/11/2022 at 7:34 PM, Coinbuf said:

   But the long term effects of this kind of policy, and the almost inevitable slippery slope it presents is where the real danger lies, simply put once you open that bottle it will be near impossible to recork.

We have a winner !   

On 4/9/2022 at 8:41 PM, Woods020 said:

1. Do others agree key date coins get a pass or more forgiveness in grading?

Yeah, it might happen, but it should NOT be egregious as with your coin above.

On 4/9/2022 at 8:41 PM, Woods020 said:

2. Are you ok with that? I personally am not. I don’t care if the population skews low on the grade scale I care about consistency. I have an expectation, within reason, of what an XF for example should look like. I don’t want that to change for any reason. 

Yup, you might have a "tie goes to the runner" situation but not like with the coin you cited above.

On 4/8/2022 at 11:03 PM, VKurtB said:

Both ANA and FUN set up an area for World Coins, but it’s not a requirement to locate there if you’d rather be in the general floor areas. 

If you are exclusively foreign coins, it'd be kinda dumb to be surrounded by the domestic guys.

On 4/8/2022 at 10:49 PM, VKurtB said:

They are outstanding. Best or second best each year. Maybe NYINC is better. 

FUN was definitely domestic-focused, but I'd say there was about 20-30 tables/dealers of foreign stuff, excluding domestic guys who also had some foreign coins.  As I recall, there was an International Section off to one side of the FUN hall.

I'm having a procedure done this month and if not for that would strongly consider going.

On 4/8/2022 at 12:56 PM, VKurtB said:

I’d say without reservation that there is only one best - the August ANA show. I’ve been to FUN, and it’s a worthy alternative. 

ANA is usually held in the Midwest/Chicago....or they change it around ?

I think FUN also benefits that everybody is home in January....and the cold weather folks can justify the expense to get to Florida for a few days.

On 4/7/2022 at 11:34 PM, Hoghead515 said:

They may run me off. Old beardy faced hillbilly come in there.  Probably dont see to many of my kind at those shows. But Im gonna try to go to one anyways. Do they usually have a dress code?

No, just obey the rules like asking before touching....not having drinks/food placed on their display cases....letting them prioritize a sale over you asking to see a coin.  Pretty basic stuff.

It's also a good time to meet up with folks from the coin forums you belong to.

On 4/8/2022 at 12:51 PM, VKurtB said:

Blind screaming orange sport coats, too. 

I love those !!!  

On 4/8/2022 at 11:09 AM, Alex in PA. said:

The two major TPGs are backed up; of that there is no doubt. 

For coins or for all other grading items ?

RWB's Saints book has 738 bags of gold coins in total.

On 4/7/2022 at 11:31 PM, Hoghead515 said:

Not sure when Im gonna get to go to a show but Im gonna ride that Cardinal one of these days. Hopfully to a show. That would be an experience. 

Not sure how the others fell, but it seems like considering the time of the year, the number of dealers, right after the Holidays....that FUN is THE show to go to if you can just go to one biggie during the year.

The regional shows aren't bad, either.

How many dealers pre-Covid would go to CS ?  I know the Big Three are FUN, ANA, and Long Beach.

How did you find retail traffic vs. dealer traffic to your booth compared to recent shows and also pre-Covid ?

"The Best One" is up for sale over at GC.  It is the ONLY MS-69 Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle...in fact, I wonder how many coins pre-1950 are able to get that grade ?

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1132876/1908-Saint-Gaudens-Gold-Double-Eagle-No-Motto-Wells-Fargo-Nevada-Gold-The-Best-One-PCGS-MS-69

On 4/5/2022 at 12:02 PM, Alex in PA. said:

I've been studying up on this Hoard and the best I can find is 9,900 to 10,000 coins.  Several articles and I cannot guarantee their accuracy.

I have some good info on the WF Hoard earlier in this thread, including from the DL website.

Other details are in Bower's Double Eagles and Roger's Saints books.  Pretty much the same thing.  As Roger has said, for whatever reason, Gillio and any other parties have not divulged more details regarding the hoard even though it is coming up on 30 years since it was found and market forces and marketing can no longer be a concern.

On 4/5/2022 at 12:02 PM, Alex in PA. said:

I've been studying up on this Hoard and the best I can find is 9,900 to 10,000 coins.  Several articles and I cannot guarantee their accuracy.

It is pretty much certain that 19,900 coins were submitted to the TPGs.  So I am 99.99% sure that the WF Hoard is that size.

If that was the first submission, then there could have been other coins (including non-Saints and maybe non-gold coins) that were secretly disbursed elsewhere though it would be difficult to submit a large hoard to the TPGs and keep it a secret, not have dealers find out, etc.

I think that 150,000 theoretical figure is for the 1983 MTB Hoard which was about 50,000 gold coins.  Might have even been from something Roger or someone else posted in the RWB Saints Thread.  I've never read anywhere that the Gillio WF Hoard was not 100% of what the oft-cited 19,900 coins amounts to.  Gillio is still around, nobody has ever suggested (certainly he hasn't) that there were other coins. 

OTOH, the records for the 1983 MTB Hoard got destroyed and there was never a final accurate accounting from MTB or Stack's, to my knowledge. 

I think I just got my hoards confused. 

I have a note that says that the size of the Gillio Wells Fargo Hoard may have been as large as 150,000 coins (over 7x the oft-cited number). 

Does anybody recall seeing that anywhere ?  I am sure it is speculation, I am just trying to remember where I read it.   Or if I was reading about the 1983 MTB Hoard and inadvertently thought "WF Hoard" by mistake.

On 4/4/2022 at 8:35 PM, Hoghead515 said:

They have a few chaperones. Hes flying into Las Vegas. Then going to Zion National Park, Bryce Canyon National Park, Capitol Reef National Park, Canyonland National Park, and Arches National Park.  

He'll have some super-dark skies so if he is into astronomy he should bring a small portable telescope or a pair of binoculars. 

WTH happened ?