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I have been collecting Lincoln cents for over thirty years, you have a counterfeit, sorry.

It might be useful in a legal courtroom, but that is a big maybe and will depend on the rules of the court.

Great set and a nice award, congrats.

There is very little that you can do thru ebay if this situation occurs, however you are not totally without recourse. You have the buyers name and address so you can pursue legal action against the buyer, granted that is the absolute worst case and biggest pita for you but it is an option. As Bobby noted pay attention to any bidders that do bid and their feedback, again this is difficult to manage if there is a flurry of bids at the last moment. But if you feel uncomfortable in any way cancel a bidder if something seems off or even cancel the sale after the auction ends if need be. Luckily this happens in a very tiny percentage of ebay transactions, not much comfort if it happens to you but life is full of risks. You also have the option to sell via an auction house like Great Collections or Heritage, you will likely see a lower net on the sale but that is the offset for the safety of having the auction house sell it for you. And you can also sell it directly to a local dealer again you will not maximize your return but there is no risk in that type of transaction.

My goal is to have a full page to submit, that way I spread the cost of shipping/review over the max amount of coins and thus add the least overhead cost to each coin. Losing a submission is indeed a concern and not one to take lightly, but its a risk you have to accept if you want to submit. So far I've been very lucky that I've never had a submission to CAC or one of the TPG's be lost, but I will admit that the submission where I had my 09-SVDB and 14-D Lincolns on did worry me. So far I think the greatest value on a single submission for me was just over 10K that is a lot for me to lose but I have seen dealers send submissions worth many multiples of that with no issues.

As the title states I have one 1884-CC Morgan dollar graded and slabbed by ICG as MS64. I bought the coin back in 2010 so its been off the market for a few years now and not the usual "stuff" that keeps getting kicked around between buyers. Having said that I'm not calling this coin high end for the grade, I personally consider it towards the lower end of the 64 grade and as such I'm asking closer to MS63 money. Currently on collectors corner MS63's are priced from the mid $250's to low $300's and MS64's are priced from the mid $350's to around $500. My asking price is SOLD I'll cover the shipping and will accept paypal f&f, regular paypal (add 3% to the $300 price), or money order. I've attached a few photos to review if anyone has questions please post them or you can contact via pm.

A couple of thoughts; first if you have applied as a collector my early congrats on being accepted and enjoy the ability to submit direct to CAC it is a very nice benefit. Second do yourself and others a favor by carefully screening your coins and only sending coins that you think really merit a bean, clogging up the submission cycle with tons of subpar coins will only slow everything down for you and others. Third weigh the costs against the benefit, you may have a ton of MS63 or 64 Morgans that deserve a bean but will having a bean really enhance the value enough to cover the shipping and review costs. My second and third thoughts are closely tied together. Lastly its not all about color for JA, he is looking for premium coins be they blast white or easter eggs, clean, original, eye appealing, unaltered coins that are at the top of the grade get the beans. Most of my early submissions were all coins that I felt had a very high chance at passing so my pass rate was very high, just over 90%. When I got to the coins that I was less certain of that rate fell to closer to 70%. My process is to put a group together that I want to send, set the group aside for a day or so and then reevaluate each coin to weed out any that my emotional attachment might be clouding my objectivity on. pack them up and ship them off. One last thought you might want to check into a third party insurance company, the company I use is Ship and Insure. They offer insurance rates that are much less than through the post office, and an added benefit is they have discounted rates with FedEx.

Quite true however those varieties are not required and that was the goal with my request.

I too am sure that the free level has never allowed direct submissions unless you are an ANA member. The same is true at PCGS, you want to submit direct you pay, I think at one time you could submit to ANACS without any membership fee but I have no idea if that is true today.

Thanks for the thoughts and comments everyone, no matter where I eventually end up I'm having fun with the registry and that is the end goal.

Tough to judge from your photos, looks too shinny like its plated or reprocessed, however that could just be the harsh lighting your using. I will say that I'm in complete agreement with what has been said so far, this is a very common coin that can already be found in great numbers already slabbed and graded by third party grading firms like NGC or PCGS. According to the NGC population report NGC alone has graded and slabbed almost 6 thousand in the MS66 grade alone. What I'm saying is that there are more than enough 1943-S Lincolns already graded than the demand can use, you would be better off not spending your money on slabbing such a common coin and use those funds to enjoy the hobby in other ways. Perhaps another coin or book purchase, or perhaps an investment in some better lighting/equipment so that you might improve and enjoy taking photos of your coins.

Nice photos are more about the lighting than the equipment. That is not to say that great high end camera equipment does not help, it does; but with good lighting great photos can be taken with todays cell phone cameras. Your photo above appears to be lit from one side with a very harsh light, using multiple light sources that are somewhat muted tend to give better results by lighting the coin from all sides. There are several threads posted in the US/World section of this forum about taking photos with tips and tricks to help you generate great photos with your cell phone. If you have a DSLR and a good macro lens this site Click here is maintained by one of the very best coin photographers I know of, Mark literally wrote the book on coin photography. Edited to add: if you decide that you want to upgrade your equipment I suggest that you get in touch with this fellow Click here, he has a very cost effective system that will give you excellent results with a little practice.

Lol, So some context to this great feat of mine. I recently asked for the registry team to include a new Lincoln set that does not require the varieties to be included in it. Nothing against those who like collecting the varieties but its just not my thing. To my surprise today I noticed that NGC created the set that I had asked for! So I jumped in and created the very first set and am sitting in the number one spot; I have no doubt that as soon as the big guns spot the new set they will leapfrog over me and I'll end up in the 6 or 7 spot as I am in most of the Lincoln sets. But I can say that for once I have the top Lincoln set in one category no matter how short lived that claim ends up being. I think I should be drinking a brandy in a sniffer glass with a big stogie, tomorrow its back to beer.

"Is it worth having your coins graded if you're not going to sell them?" There is no simple answer to this question and many times it comes down to personal preference/wants as opposed to value or worth. Both of the two coins you have asked about (1943 & 1961 Lincoln cents) are super common unless in the uber high MS grades of 67 or higher; so from a pure value standpoint its a waste of money to send in either of those two coins for grading unless you are confident that they could grade high enough. However many coins are sent in to the TPG's for grading that are/were never worth the cost of grading, some because the sender wants to test his/her grading skills against what the TPG grades at. Some are sent in because the sender wants the coin in a holder to protect a sentimental coin, perhaps a coin given by a family member or some type of remembrance. Because I am a life long Lincoln collector I know that those two coins are not worth sending in for grading to me; it may provide you a different type of value and for that reason be worth sending in for you. "How am I supposed to list a coin value if I don't yet know the grade?" The section for value is there because the grading tier and return postage is calculated on the value of the coin, NGC expects that you already have an idea as to what you grade the coin(s) and can assign a value derived from your assigned grade. For example the economy tier has a max value of $300 per coin, coins that you think have a value greater than $300 should be submitted under the early bird tier instead. In your case I'm very sure that both of the coins you have are well under the $300 value each so you can use the economy tier (unless you want faster service) and use a value of $20 each for those two coins. If you want faster service you can use the more expensive early bird tier. If for some reason your grade is way low and the value of the coins is significantly higher than your assigned value after NGC has assigned their grades they may contact you with additional grading and shipping charges, I suspect that you are very likely to not have that happen.

Came in todays mail, I was not worried just hopping that they would arrive in time for me to have it framed. My #1 ranked 1940 set was put together because that is my mothers birth year, I want to frame the certificate for that set and give it to her for mothers day.

Hmmm sure hope my certificates show up soon.

MAC stickers have been around for a while now, I would not be surprised if there are some followers that have bought in to this sticker. I have a feeling that those that have may be in for a surprise when they go to sell these amazing treasures.

Very cool newps, congrats!

Just simple strike/machine doubling is all I see.

May have been a filled die as suggested, maybe just damage as the coin has seen extensive circulation. Either way its only worth $.25.

Agreed your coin has no errors just circulation damage and a die chip, the coin is worth $.02.

No one is suggesting that the coin is glued together, rather that there is a large area of glue or some type of substance on the surface of the coin. I also agree with the conclusion of glue or another substance on the coin, it is not a lamination error.

Just post here, the second one has stronger detail but the obv staining is a real negative to the eye appeal aspect. Again not worth the cost to slab as this coin's value I would place at $5, while technically AU for the details the staining really hurts the value and the lack of any luster limits the grade to XF. Just because something is old does not automatically mean it has great value, 1909 was the first year for the Lincoln cent and the mint made over 27 million 1909 VDB cents. As is typical of first year issues these were horded heavily so it is very easy to find 1909 VDB examples and in very high grades. Iast month an MS63 red example sold at auction for $50, which depending on the cost to buy the coin and after auction (and possible grading fees) fees the seller may have lost money. We don't mind helping you out with some of this but if you plan to sell you need to learn to grade yourself, once you can do that you can use the power of the internet to determine values for yourself. Use this link Photograde to compare your coins and determine the grade, my challenge to you is find a coin you have not posted here and use this guide I've linked to find a grade yourself. Then post that coin and the grade you think it is and ask if we think you are correct. That will be a big first step toward you being able to help yourself.

Looks possibly whizzed, tough to say for sure from the shadows in the obv photo.

No from these two photos it is not worth submitting, value around a dollar or two.