Just Bob

I don't know about the "intelligent" part, but I definitely fall under the "old Kat" category.

Nice to see you posting on here again.

On 4/26/2023 at 7:50 AM, DSessom said:

I knew immediately who this guy is when I saw all the rainbow Buffalo nickels! Hello Joe! 

I am new to this forum, but have been hanging out at the CU forums since 2009. The admin over there got to be a bit too much, so I came over here. 

Seems to be many of the same folks, so that's awesome!  

Welcome to the forum. 

Welcome to the forum.

Someone abrasively cleaned this coin, ruining its numismatic value. It would not be worth the cost of having it graded. 

She's a looker!

On 4/24/2023 at 10:21 PM, Coinbuf said:

Dang, I wonder why I am constantly having to take the change from my vending machine business to the bank if everyone is using cards now, weird.

I don't own a credit card. I use debit cards or checks for business and online purchasing. Everything else I buy using cash, and I usually pay with exact change. I try to make sure I have at a minimum 3 quarters, two dimes, one nickel, and four cents in my pocket at all times so I can give the teller the exact amount of the purchase. It's an "old man" thing, I guess.

Obviously, every coin is different, and every collector's taste is different. Additionally, as you said, grading is subjective. But, as a general rule, the higher the number, the fewer distracting marks there are in the prime focal areas. On a Morgan obverse, this would be the cheek and the fields in front of and behind Liberty's Head. Therefore, a 65 will usually have more eye appeal than a 63. If I were looking for an attractive Morgan with a nice looking obverse, I would try to find something like a mark-free 1881-s in MS65 or MS66, preferably with some attractive toning around the perimeter.

One of the markers for that variety is a raised dot under the first "U" in "PLURIBUS." The OP's coin appears to have this dot.

Looks like a late die stage RPM-006/FS-502.

Welcome to the forum. Great first post, and great collection!

Congratulations! That's quite an accomplishment. Very nice looking set, indeed.

All four have that typical "Chinese counterfeit" look.

On 4/13/2023 at 10:06 PM, EagleRJO said:

I'm not familiar with those coins or counterstamps, but it is a very distinctive and repetitive pattern so it may be something similar to chop marks by merchants.

What you are seeing is the tops of letters. If you look at the picture with the red oval drawn on it, you can see an "S" to the right of the oval, with an "N" just to the left of the "S." There are other letters to the left of these. This appears to be the same punch as was used four times on the area in red, but turned 90 degrees. 

On 4/13/2023 at 11:01 AM, Dascher said:

 Any idea what has been counterstampped on this coin and/or why? 

The last two letters appear to be "NS." The beginning letter looks like an "S" also, and there appear to be an "O" and maybe an "L" in there, too.

Congrats on the 63. Once again we are reminded that it is difficult to grade from pictures. I am glad I was wrong on the low side.

Don't be a stranger. 

On 4/10/2023 at 9:57 PM, powermad5000 said:

 

I have never heard of Progressive Indirect Die Transfer, so a better explanation of that might provide a clue. I don't see it as being PMD, so I want to class it a mint error, but I am not sure under what condition. I am aware of all the recognized mint errors, but this coin seems to be a blend of several different things. Perhaps part of the die did fall off and then the extra metal flow into the space of the missing piece of die caused the other areas of weaknesses?

Try this link: https://www.error-ref.com/progressive-indirect-design-transfer/

On 2/10/2023 at 5:26 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

 

Come to think about it....the Saint eagle could be the 1st eagle that really was powerful and looked intimidating and impressive.  

In my opinion, that honor goes to to eagle on the reverse of the twenty cent piece.

It could have been cleaned in the past, but to be honest, a slight cleaning that doesn't leave obvious hairlines really doesn't bother me on a coin this small. I would put the grade at VF, and estimate the value at around $75 raw. It looks like, in addition to the repunched date, that it has a die crack and shows signs of die clashing. Those add character, in my opinion, and might add a few dollars to the value for some collectors. Nice coin, in my opinion.

Edited to add: Coinbuf posted while I was typing. I think this may be the first time we have been this far apart in our estimate of grade. It will be interesting to see how other members interpret these pics.

Don't forget:  The fact that these are being offered for a lot of money doesn't mean they are actually selling for this amount. Anyone can slap a high price tag on their garbage, but only an ignorant person would buy it. I could put a big scratch a Lincoln cent, give it a cutesie name like "scarface" or "injured Abe" and list it for $100, but that doesn't make it worth more than a penny. The same goes with all of these very minor cuds, cracks, and chips. If you like them, by all means collect them. I certainly hold on to any unusual die state example or other interesting thing I may find, but I don't expect them to ever be anything more than a novelty.

Yes! Thanks, Larry. I was trying to find a picture of one with a beaded interior edge like the one in your second pic, but the picture I found was the closest I could come up with after a quick ebay search. And the last pics you posted show how the design can overlap the edge of the coin. I see this a lot with bimetallic tokens when they are struck slightly off center.  The aluminum center will often have a beaded section where the design overlaps. Nice job!

INB was a self-slabber who sold on Ebay a while back. Lots of cleaned or circulated coins sold as MS 70, etc. Treat any coins in those holders as if they were raw and possibly problem coins. It may be possible to cherry pick varieties, but be wary of the condition and pay accordingly.

On 4/5/2023 at 8:43 PM, Pipes1971 said:

.  Also, I am wondering if the 1948 coin was in one of those coin cranking machines that flatten the coins and/or make it a design.  

It is likely your coin was removed from something like this (picture grabbed off Ebay):