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Is it blistering or delaminating?

All the lines go the same way . I agree with the big guns on this one die polished marks. 

It could be in the plastic and Proof coins are not full proof all the time

It popped up on me a few times earlier today. It popped up when I was uploading shots and quoting others. I just moved around a bit and logged off washed my cookie's and browser and came back on , I have not seen it again... .. So far? 

On 10/30/2021 at 8:15 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Does the disturbed area, and marks, seamlessly disappear into the field or is there a separation? I wonder if those marks are a match to the reeding on another coin? They don't look like file marks to me, to evenly spaced, clean and deep. Reeding from another coin is what popped in my head. Not saying it's not an error, just my observations. 

I know what you are saying Mike it was also a thought I had but holding side by side the smallest reeded coin a dime is still much larger than the marks on the coin and they run on a angle. You would think a hit that hard would also change the rim but it looks ok it is almost like it had a cud and someone took a chisel and chopped it off. I know that is imposable that is why I was thinking a quick attempt to repair a bad die. This is a real head scratcher kinda fun though 

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On 10/29/2021 at 9:01 PM, James Zyskowski said:

Go over to collectors forum and check the thread “ peace and Morgan flippers welcome.” There are pictures that will make you cry. Unbelievable scratches and scrapes big rubs on the cheek. Peace dollar that are posted look ok until you magnify spots and such. This forum is far superior to them but they can be useful for comparison. 
After much research I have learned that returned coins (to the mint) are absolutely melted in some odd cases stored at the “back” of the West Point vault but never used as current replacement stock. Thanks 🙏 

That  Awful Sad.  And the mint story sounds fishy to me. If they melt down the coins who is keeping track of the population of coins do they melt 1000 and then strike 1000 ,and after do they put them in holders that say { oops second strike } I mean they are still making emergency issue ASE strike coins a year later.  It is all so confusing.  

On 10/29/2021 at 10:06 PM, GBrad said:

@J P Mashoke I did some digging on this coin for you.  I am fairly convinced this is not PMD at this point.  There are some factors associated with your coin that simply takes me away from it being damaged after it left the mint.  I started thinking that it may have been some type of blanking error, upsetting error, or planchet error or even some type of striking error.  I may be way out of line here but I did find this on error-ref.com (link below).  I don't think your coin falls into this same exact error category of the supplied reference but possibly something similar. Your coin's grooves do resemble the appearance of the grooves pictured at the bottom of the page so maybe there is a possibility you have an error......  Hopefully we have an error expert here on the forum that has knowledge on uncommon things like this. This is outside of my pay grade and beyond my limit of knowledge on this one......

 https://www.error-ref.com/interstrike-damage-page/

Thanks for taking a look GBrad that does look like the same marks. Oh well. Until someone who may have seen this type of error before chimes in or I fide a example on-line. I will put it in the Odd & Error cent box. As you can see we have a few coins filed away. 

On 10/29/2021 at 8:58 PM, GBrad said:

I was thinking PMD for sure but then I got to looking at your pics.  Especially your third original pic.  The rim is still fully intact and raised above the 'grooved' looking file mark damage at the top and bottom of the pic where the damage is but even so "within" the damaged area, if that makes sense.  I'm now thinking this may be something else, possible related to a VERY very minor clipped planchet but not exactly sure. There's no way someone could file this down in this manner yet leave the visible rim intact and free of damage.  Very odd and interesting.  

Agreed that is why I said Odd Cud LoL after looking at the edge more it looks like there may be a crack in it also not sure if you can see it. I find weird stuff   It may be just a scratch .

On 10/29/2021 at 8:49 PM, GBrad said:

Going to have to go with PMD here J P........ Just MHO.

I know I was thinking the same thing but with the  file scratches on the edge you would think there would be metal missing not extra metal 

On 10/29/2021 at 8:41 PM, GBrad said:

@J P Mashoke what does the obverse look like on the same area? Can you post a good pic of that area please?

Nothing wrong on the obverse except scratches and dings 

This 2016 P Nickel looks like it had a cud that was filed down ?. Or should I say the die had a chip and that was filed down to keep production rolling until they could replace the die. Not sure how or why the edge is still uniform but it is Odd looking for sure.

Ya thanks for the input guys.   It is not like the old days when the stuff would just jump out and say here I am. You have to really be aware of looking for tiny things

On 10/29/2021 at 3:08 PM, GBrad said:

I actually just clicked on your supplied link and also did go to coppercoins. You hit this one on the head for that DDO listing. Good job and here is the coppercoins listing for your Cent too. 
 

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2019&die_id=2019p1do010&die_state=eds

On 10/29/2021 at 3:10 PM, Coinbuf said:

The obv looks right, does it have that little die gouge above the "N" of cent on the reverse?

Yes it has something there , this may be a early stage sample the die crack is not as big as the one in the photo.

Well now you can weigh it 

So that's why no one is getting there coins yet . There waiting for the dealers to send the rejects back so they can ship them to the collectors who have been waiting.  

Well before you send it in you may want to ask some of the members here if they think it is worth sending in to be graded ? there are a lot of knowledgeable members here you can ask for advice 

If your scale is off just weigh a70s coin or a wheat cent and see what that is

On 10/27/2021 at 7:57 AM, Oldhoopster said:

You may want to check and recalibrate your scale then reweigh it. 

On 10/26/2021 at 8:44 PM, Jblindy said:

I am very curious why y’all say this is not a low MS coin? 

The first thing I look at is the reverse the eagle chest feathers and the wreath for wear then the obverse for around the ear and cotton ball wear, These are high points in the coin and then I work my way around from those items. There are many other things to look for but those are my first items.  

On 10/27/2021 at 7:51 AM, Dejone Maxwell said:

In the date "1973" look at the "973" compared to the "1"

Yes that could be Mechanical Doubling or Die Deterioration Doubling I don't see a listing on Vista for a DD on the date like that. 

I am not sure where to look for it if it can be seen it will be small. you may need a closer shot.

And look here to double check your coin.      http://www.varietyvista.com/

Sorry Bill it is around a 50

The 1884 CC is very nice the toning makes it hard to see scratches or bag marks but the reverse is really clean I will give it a MS64