Jason Abshier

I’m no expert , never ever will call myself an expert when it comes to coin collecting …. But for world coins I’d go with NGC , now both PCGS and NGC as you know they do not grade on the exact standard if you look at if you look at enough PCGS coins and NGC coins of same coin and grade compare the two you’ll start see why both companies establish a grading market and standard of their own… Not saying they both are better than each other (I don’t drink the PCGS “cult” kool-aid thinking every coin my collection must be PCGS it’s worth more money it’s more superior than every other coin out there graded by a different grading company) but I own both PCGS and NGC and ANACS coins . However I’m a NGC member , a guy I work with is a PCGS member so we both can send coins if we need through each other … I haven’t sent in raw coins for grading for long time, most of time I just buy the coin already graded and keep my raw coins raw as they come

Gimme a couple of beers and I’ll tell ya what you got .

Seems like he’s retiring everything comes to an end nothing is built to last forever

@Quintus Arrius seems like you want highest rooster you can get for the highest grade achievement ? Only way do that is to look at the roosters in person before buying . When I order coin or bid on coins in European auctions , I know not to have my hopes set too high for very high grade coins when the dealer is describing the coin showing a photo with a coin or a medal that has few carbon spots on it. When a dealer overseas says a coin is MS65-MS70 (I don’t know why they use MS70 grade classic coins don’t grade out that high anyway) . For classic coin to even get MS65 that coin has be in best shape minimal bag marks or nicks and proper desire toning (not dullish aged hazy toning). Most of time when I win or buy a coin that dealer stated that is BU it’s mostly a typical UNC. That will probably grade out MS62-MS63 … Thats okay with me I didn’t over pay for the coin and it’s for my Raw coin collection I don’t have intentions having any graded. Overseas they have different “style” of grading they probably think us Americans are just too picky with our coin collecting hobbies when it comes to owning the “best of the best we can get graded” but I don’t fall for dealers overseas or any dealer even in USA saying a raw coin will grade out to be MS65-MS70 over the internet with a few pictures

Old post that was resurrected, I’ve noticed a few old post popped up today on here don’t know why

I see it this way the value of ASE or royal mint products is equal to same as 1oz silver private round to begin with a lot of other people feel that way as well when it comes to modern silver today … When you take it dealer they don’t care where it came from if it’s 1oz silver it’s 1 oz silver to them they will pay accordingly to that they don’t care … However the market does have some interesting “graded” bullion that does sell among the newer collectors at prices way above melt price , I myself collect some modern silver coinage because I like the design on the coin sometimes we all get tired of looking at older classic coinage we take a step out to buy something a little newer to look at . But you’ll never ever see me paying hundreds or thousand dollars for MS70 bullion coin I don’t need waste money that bad to build a registry set to gain some bragging rights “look at me ! Oooga booga” I’m master collector I have all 70’s but to each their own take that what is driving the market up when it comes to ASE or how about the new Morgan dollars ? Another thing to watch out paying very high prices for silver coins is spotting issues that’s a killer like RWB said gets some spots on it nobody will want it . Spotting is beyond control sometimes

That 1903 looks like it maybe had an old cleaning on the obverse of the coin little black in 9 and 0 of the date looks to be an upper AU or low MS 60-62 Maybe (weaker strike) the reverse looks like eagle breast feathers been worn a little on high spots AU right there … hard to really tell the second picture has way too much glare and the “photo” color is off we can’t tell you much about that one (if that picture was taken online somewhere someone try sell that coin with pictures like that ? Don’t buy it run away in other direction) bad photos = Bad problems coins !

I do that when I’m in my garage and I’m bored then I throw them on street they get picked up by tires left in the parking lot for some lonely soul to find them and post them on here

@VKurtBi wished you showed us that coin before shipping it off for grading make us guess the grade then when you get it back show us what dealer graded it at what NGC graded it out to be … I’m not sure maybe at end of this year or sometime next year. I’ll be sending in a small bulk load 10-15 coins for grading for my personal collection I’m thinking about listing them on here have folks guess the grade when they come back see what they graded out to be

@Alex in PA. this is last silver coin I bought it at $33 . I bought cause I like the design … it’s far by the “strangest” denomination I’ve seen on silver bullion $6 ! Weird denomination to put in it why not $1 or $5 . No it has to be $6 !!! This is Internet photo copy , the coin is chucked away in my silver box I didn’t feel like digging it out to take pictures as If anyone wants see pictures I’ll take them later on tomorrow

I actually should of said “government minted bullion” has a face value denomination on it , if there isn’t a “current” denomination face value on it , it’s nothing but a silver round privately minted

@Walter Holmes NCLT (non-circulating-legal-tender) a lot of modern bullion today has face value on it but price of silver alone minted into the coin exceeds circulating face value therefore these coins are treated only for bullion purposes

Most of the time the French would say Fleur De coin for a coin that is about MS65. I been working on my German coins this year I’ve noticed a lot European dealers and german dealers saying “Stempelglanz” (for coins around MS65-MS70) “Fast Stempelglanz” to describe a coin Ch-unc. (MS63-MS65) “Vorzuglich Stempelglanz” describes a coin that is UNC. (MS60-MS63) the European market grading standards isn’t anything like the USA grading standards

VAT is B.S ! there some dealers I’ve bought from over Europe and France they removed the VAT for me at end of transaction. Same here but most of mine are in small envelopes, but I’ve gotten a handful in PVC flips over the years , I soak all my raw coins in acetone or denatured alcohol for few minutes as soon as I get them before I transfer them to 2x2 or airtite capsules never had any problem with them changing any weird colors or toning or anything like that

Their barbaric cleaning methods are why we learned today not to clean coins . Mistakes have to be made to learn from them. Someone with brains came along back then and pointed out the finer points of numismatic rule #1 DO NOT CLEAN COINS! now that gave me goose bumps reading how they damaged coins back then.

@Woods020 the thing that threw me off with numbers is the new Morgan dollar has .858 of (.999) silver kinda throw off if see a lot numbers I wonder since they mixed with something else to only put .858 of silver in the coin it’s no longer .999 purity then kinda confusing . I don’t know why they just just didn’t make it same as 90% silver that was always used in Morgan dollars the newer modern commemorative silver $1 are 90% same as Morgan , I don’t see why they decided on .858 for 2021 morgans and peace dollars too ?

@Alex in PA. silver gotten out of hand lately I actually stop buying silver this year … I over spent on silver this year a little out of hand that I won’t recoup my cost unless silver reaches over $60 an ounce , I don’t plan on selling any the silver rounds I bought were for my personal collection I don’t plan on having any graded yet …I paid the most for the proof versions with only 1,000 minted I couldn’t even get them in US market , I had to order them from a German dealer yeah some look at them like they are just bullion , I saw them as something I just wanted for my collection don’t have any plans to sell them

Cgb in France auction site might have what your looking for they do sell coin storage and supplies there . On another note if anyone wondering about buying or bidding on coins at Cgb ? All is good I’ve won and bought about 20 coins off them they shipped fast within 3 days I had the coins at my door ! https://www.cgbfr.com/boutique,fournitures.html

I’ve noticed Prices are all over the place for certain private and government issues silver bullion … nobody really following the true spot prices when selling low mintage silver bullion coins also see a lot folks spending a lot on certain silver modern bullion (there is a new market for it and people are buying it ) heck even the US mint doesn’t even price their silver eagle fairly (but they need to make money off the process) . I’m sure we can find the older typical stuff for close to spot price with a small premium for investment purposes. Wonder why I’m seeing preordered 2021 Morgans selling for high price ? Strange times with all the silver buying hype going on

As with modern coinage or bullion there is no hurry to get it graded , unless you plan to sell it in future and or something sit back and watch how the market takes off of you see same coin selling well in graded holders then it’s worthwhile to get it graded , otherwise it is fine in the original package and airtite capsule. It is true to keep it in airtite to protect it as moment that blank was made and planchet was struck on coining press it was already exposed to air and elements before it was entombed in airtite so it makes no difference but it offers the same protection as a slab would

@GBradover 30 years I’ve collected there was only about 5 or 7 times that I’ve dipped an slightly ugly tone coin they were mostly unc. Silver coins 2 of them I shipped off to have graded they came fine the others I’ve kept in my raw collection . I don’t consider “dipping” cleaning . I have 3 solutions made out of E-Zest coin dip . I have very very light dip 1 part E-Z-est with 2 parts of distilled water , I have next little stronger but still “mild” solution 1 part E-z-est with 1 part distilled water , the last solution which I rarely never used is straight E-Z-est I keep them all In separately glass jars . (Never leave the silver coin in solution for no more than 10-15 seconds) however never ever dip Copper or use ketchup on copper or other methods it’s turns out pink never looks right and all my raw coins I buy ? Each one as soon as I get it home is bathed in denatured alcohol to remove oils and finger prints , stubborn finger prints may or may not come off with acetone . That again is not considered a form of cleaning ! Only time it’s called cleaning is when some one illiterate uses harsh method of brushing (scrubbing) abrasive ways leaves hairlines on the coin that’s consider cleaning to me

Thanks for clearing that up @Conder101 I learned something new today . I always thought the mint took older worn down gold or silver coins out of circulation to refined them and make restrikes however I knew restrikes were not to be used for circulation or confused with value of an original coins in the series but more rather than a bullion coin for investment purposes

@GBradI thought the coin was really dirty or something that would be the only time I would use ultrasonic cleaner. Your coin in the picture isn’t too bad , I’ve heard of stories ultrasonic cleaner vibrates too hard leaves hairlines and washed out look on a coin due to the soap that was used . I know a few people who metal detect for coins the use ultrasonic cleaner on old buried coins problem is the the coin rattles around inside while it’s vibrating. The one thing I haven’t gotten around to trying is a heavy dose of olive oil in a small pot of hot boiling water remove small pot from stove then put the coin in let it soak for 10-15 minutes see if it loosen up some of the dirt if not might take it longer … I don’t think the heat of the boiling water is not a high enough heat to bend copper or silver coin they require much higher heat than boil water so I don’t think there no harm but the heat of water and olive oil might help speed up the process to soften up the gunk to make it easier to remove the reason I was thinking of boiling water instead of just using hot tap water, is to boil out the impurities in tap water also the hotter the water the faster it should evaporate off the coin maybe this weekend I’ll experiment with a handful of dirty gunky coins see how it turns out

Ultrasonic cleaner with soap and water and fine soft bristle brush might loosed up some of that gunk but I don’t know about verdigris. I’ve sometimes gotten black gunk off of copper coins with denature alcohol rolling a cotton swap over the coin and not rubbing it just rolling … again I don’t waste my time dipping or cleaning circulated coins only mint coins and no denature alcohol won’t hurt copper or a coin it evaporates just as quickly as acetone however acetone is better for removing PVC damage tho. You might be able to remove verdigris with acetone and cotton swap rolling it over the affected area

I know there’s a slight difference between .999 (U.S standard silver bullion) and .9999 silver (like we see on world silver bullion .9999 or 99.99%) .999 been ran through refinery one time , as .9999 or 99.99 been through the refinery twice to get more purity. Although it doesn’t matter when it comes time to sell it .9999 is treated the same as .999 melt value