Jason Abshier

When you get’em @Woods020post a few of them ol’school holders coins up for us to see !

I myself hunt for older fatty NGC holders especially in world coins which are more scarce than US old holders , make sure the slabs are intact no missing holograms or any cracks in slabs lose value there make sure look them all over they pull a slight premium over a regular newer graded slabbed coin . Depends on what series Morgans that you think will “upgrade” (keep in mind these older slabs may have been graded at time they had stricter tighter grading period, that’s why you see a good bit of older slabs getting CAC beans) you’ll expect to pay as little as anywhere from 5%-10% over premium … not too many old slabs left out there they are like buying antique cars !

I believe it’s a few PCGS dealers who are dabbling around in German coin market and other world coin markets trying to establish a “PCGS only” market just like they’ve done with the US market . One German coin dealer I know I buy from time to time I believe he’s a PCGS dealer 99% of his inventory is graded by PCGS I see a lot nice pattern strikes and few hard to find German coins , proofs , scarce dates and so on … but the prices are scary , that’s thing with world coins hard to put a solid price on something once its get graded “top pop” comes along with a wacky made up price to see who bites the bullet to buy it

@Coinbuf I’m starting to see higher prices with PCGS German coins ! As well it’s not just US coins . They are claiming higher prices by Population reports I see some nice german coins in PCGS holders also see a lot nice German coins in NGC holders as well , I’m still not sold on buying by Population reports , there still a lot nice German raw coins out there that just hasn’t been graded yet , I myself own a lot of German coins some of them are grade worthy but I keep them raw for now I have no intention of selling them anytime soon so having them grading isn’t just practical to me right now

I forgot about those two precious metals indeed they are the newest type of metals to invest into for now if someone takes precious metal investment serious

The real bummer in precious metals is the folks who invested heavily into Platinum. At one time platinum was above gold melt value , platinum suffered and took a deep nose dive over the last few years gold shines above all .

Last time I dumped silver back on market was back in 2011 when silver almost topped $50 an ounce … so far I haven’t sold much silver since then hopefully in next 5 or 8 years silver goes up and over $40 or so an ounce I’ll unload more back on the market right now silver is still cheap and easy to get

@Gofiga I ain’t no expert I don’t consider people to be experts in coin collecting but some folks have spent their entire life studying and collecting certain coin series or specific type of coins that earned them a title to call themselves “experts” … To me a majority of us are just humble collectors that have a passion for collecting coins , And we read and read and study and study as much as we can about coins so we don’t have to ask so many questions . knowledge is power . what type of coins are you interested in collecting to start off ? US coins ? World coins ? you want something that appreciates in value that has a good market that is mostly in demand so you can make a profit is you decide to sell ? I don’t recommend new collectors spending hundreds of dollars on “raw” coins unless they know what they are looking at and knowledgeable about a specific coin they plan to purchase raw . Otherwise familiarize yourself with a specific coin dearies and learn what the prices are going for who buying and paying at prices before you even think about purchasing a coins

I’m no expert , never ever will call myself an expert when it comes to coin collecting …. But for world coins I’d go with NGC , now both PCGS and NGC as you know they do not grade on the exact standard if you look at if you look at enough PCGS coins and NGC coins of same coin and grade compare the two you’ll start see why both companies establish a grading market and standard of their own… Not saying they both are better than each other (I don’t drink the PCGS “cult” kool-aid thinking every coin my collection must be PCGS it’s worth more money it’s more superior than every other coin out there graded by a different grading company) but I own both PCGS and NGC and ANACS coins . However I’m a NGC member , a guy I work with is a PCGS member so we both can send coins if we need through each other … I haven’t sent in raw coins for grading for long time, most of time I just buy the coin already graded and keep my raw coins raw as they come

Gimme a couple of beers and I’ll tell ya what you got .

Seems like he’s retiring everything comes to an end nothing is built to last forever

@Quintus Arrius seems like you want highest rooster you can get for the highest grade achievement ? Only way do that is to look at the roosters in person before buying . When I order coin or bid on coins in European auctions , I know not to have my hopes set too high for very high grade coins when the dealer is describing the coin showing a photo with a coin or a medal that has few carbon spots on it. When a dealer overseas says a coin is MS65-MS70 (I don’t know why they use MS70 grade classic coins don’t grade out that high anyway) . For classic coin to even get MS65 that coin has be in best shape minimal bag marks or nicks and proper desire toning (not dullish aged hazy toning). Most of time when I win or buy a coin that dealer stated that is BU it’s mostly a typical UNC. That will probably grade out MS62-MS63 … Thats okay with me I didn’t over pay for the coin and it’s for my Raw coin collection I don’t have intentions having any graded. Overseas they have different “style” of grading they probably think us Americans are just too picky with our coin collecting hobbies when it comes to owning the “best of the best we can get graded” but I don’t fall for dealers overseas or any dealer even in USA saying a raw coin will grade out to be MS65-MS70 over the internet with a few pictures

Old post that was resurrected, I’ve noticed a few old post popped up today on here don’t know why

I see it this way the value of ASE or royal mint products is equal to same as 1oz silver private round to begin with a lot of other people feel that way as well when it comes to modern silver today … When you take it dealer they don’t care where it came from if it’s 1oz silver it’s 1 oz silver to them they will pay accordingly to that they don’t care … However the market does have some interesting “graded” bullion that does sell among the newer collectors at prices way above melt price , I myself collect some modern silver coinage because I like the design on the coin sometimes we all get tired of looking at older classic coinage we take a step out to buy something a little newer to look at . But you’ll never ever see me paying hundreds or thousand dollars for MS70 bullion coin I don’t need waste money that bad to build a registry set to gain some bragging rights “look at me ! Oooga booga” I’m master collector I have all 70’s but to each their own take that what is driving the market up when it comes to ASE or how about the new Morgan dollars ? Another thing to watch out paying very high prices for silver coins is spotting issues that’s a killer like RWB said gets some spots on it nobody will want it . Spotting is beyond control sometimes

That 1903 looks like it maybe had an old cleaning on the obverse of the coin little black in 9 and 0 of the date looks to be an upper AU or low MS 60-62 Maybe (weaker strike) the reverse looks like eagle breast feathers been worn a little on high spots AU right there … hard to really tell the second picture has way too much glare and the “photo” color is off we can’t tell you much about that one (if that picture was taken online somewhere someone try sell that coin with pictures like that ? Don’t buy it run away in other direction) bad photos = Bad problems coins !

I do that when I’m in my garage and I’m bored then I throw them on street they get picked up by tires left in the parking lot for some lonely soul to find them and post them on here

@VKurtBi wished you showed us that coin before shipping it off for grading make us guess the grade then when you get it back show us what dealer graded it at what NGC graded it out to be … I’m not sure maybe at end of this year or sometime next year. I’ll be sending in a small bulk load 10-15 coins for grading for my personal collection I’m thinking about listing them on here have folks guess the grade when they come back see what they graded out to be

@Alex in PA. this is last silver coin I bought it at $33 . I bought cause I like the design … it’s far by the “strangest” denomination I’ve seen on silver bullion $6 ! Weird denomination to put in it why not $1 or $5 . No it has to be $6 !!! This is Internet photo copy , the coin is chucked away in my silver box I didn’t feel like digging it out to take pictures as If anyone wants see pictures I’ll take them later on tomorrow

I actually should of said “government minted bullion” has a face value denomination on it , if there isn’t a “current” denomination face value on it , it’s nothing but a silver round privately minted

@Walter Holmes NCLT (non-circulating-legal-tender) a lot of modern bullion today has face value on it but price of silver alone minted into the coin exceeds circulating face value therefore these coins are treated only for bullion purposes

Most of the time the French would say Fleur De coin for a coin that is about MS65. I been working on my German coins this year I’ve noticed a lot European dealers and german dealers saying “Stempelglanz” (for coins around MS65-MS70) “Fast Stempelglanz” to describe a coin Ch-unc. (MS63-MS65) “Vorzuglich Stempelglanz” describes a coin that is UNC. (MS60-MS63) the European market grading standards isn’t anything like the USA grading standards

VAT is B.S ! there some dealers I’ve bought from over Europe and France they removed the VAT for me at end of transaction. Same here but most of mine are in small envelopes, but I’ve gotten a handful in PVC flips over the years , I soak all my raw coins in acetone or denatured alcohol for few minutes as soon as I get them before I transfer them to 2x2 or airtite capsules never had any problem with them changing any weird colors or toning or anything like that

Their barbaric cleaning methods are why we learned today not to clean coins . Mistakes have to be made to learn from them. Someone with brains came along back then and pointed out the finer points of numismatic rule #1 DO NOT CLEAN COINS! now that gave me goose bumps reading how they damaged coins back then.

@Woods020 the thing that threw me off with numbers is the new Morgan dollar has .858 of (.999) silver kinda throw off if see a lot numbers I wonder since they mixed with something else to only put .858 of silver in the coin it’s no longer .999 purity then kinda confusing . I don’t know why they just just didn’t make it same as 90% silver that was always used in Morgan dollars the newer modern commemorative silver $1 are 90% same as Morgan , I don’t see why they decided on .858 for 2021 morgans and peace dollars too ?

@Alex in PA. silver gotten out of hand lately I actually stop buying silver this year … I over spent on silver this year a little out of hand that I won’t recoup my cost unless silver reaches over $60 an ounce , I don’t plan on selling any the silver rounds I bought were for my personal collection I don’t plan on having any graded yet …I paid the most for the proof versions with only 1,000 minted I couldn’t even get them in US market , I had to order them from a German dealer yeah some look at them like they are just bullion , I saw them as something I just wanted for my collection don’t have any plans to sell them