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Henri Charriere Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 10:58 PM, zadok said: no signs there...there is a russian flag on the sea bed 4000+ feet below, n once was a reflective sphere located there but long gone...i do have my bluenose certificate, so u can accept previous statements as credible...cant attest to moon signage didnt get that far.... The Great Zadok has spoken! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numismatic, A.A.S. Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 4:49 PM, zadok said: right thigh, right breast, gown clasp, bottom curl, right wrist, left ankle, edge boulder, curl above ear....just enuf to take out of mint state....but id buy it as an au58...... I was going to go there but for obvious reasons will refrain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numismatic, A.A.S. Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 3:47 PM, AcesKings said: Nice grays with a hint on high points....great solid coin!!! Coinbuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Henri Charriere Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 "First Day of Issue" is self-explanatory. But at what point does a "First Srike" become a second one or is that where First Day of Issue comes in? Alternately, is there a limit as to how many "First Srikes" can be so designated? Enquiring minds, newbies and oldies alike, want to know. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numismatic, A.A.S. Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 9/4/2021 at 8:11 AM, Quintus Arrius said: "First Day of Issue" is self-explanatory. But at what point does a "First Srike" become a second one or is that where First Day of Issue comes in? Alternately, is there a limit as to how many "First Srikes" can be so designated? Enquiring minds, newbies and oldies alike, want to know. I know..I stopped thinking or actually caring about it. I always think "First Strike" in Military terms...So, to me, in my head, in coin universe, the First Strike is the last struck coins from the U.S. Mint for a particular series, that were shipped and stored in the Distribution Facility. The last remaining coins in the Distribution Centers would be First Strikes, hence the Delivery cycle??? this I have heard...Echoing off Planets and Moons from station to station...Even though I'm a CAC Lover, I still always focus on coin first...or in this Rare instance a Medal. I'm not really a Medal Fan but I respect them. This was purchased for a completely different reason....How many FS can be designated...I don't know...how many are there? That can be looked up... Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Henri Charriere Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 9/4/2021 at 3:18 PM, Numismatic, A.A.S. said: ...the First Strike is the last struck coins from the U.S. Mint for a particular series, that were shipped and stored in the Distribution Facility. The last remaining coins in the Distribution Centers would be First Strikes, hence the Delivery cycle??? this I have heard...Echoing off Planets and Moons from station to station... I respect your beliefs, but in no particular order I would like to hear a few other members weigh in on this, including, but in no particular order, the following as they wish: @DWLange, @RWB, @VKurtB, @Just Bob & @Coinbuf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) On 9/4/2021 at 8:11 AM, Quintus Arrius said: "First Day of Issue" is self-explanatory. But at what point does a "First Srike" become a second one or is that where First Day of Issue comes in? Alternately, is there a limit as to how many "First Srikes" can be so designated? Enquiring minds, newbies and oldies alike, want to know. The quoted terms are sales/marketing terms as used by TPGs. They have no more meaning than "New! Improved" on your laundry detergent, or "Healthy" on salted deep fried lard. A numismatic definition of "first strike" exists from the 19th century. It literally means the first complete, successful coin made from a new pair of dies. There is, by definition, only one such coin from each new pair of dies, and only one overall from production. (See Columbian halves story and Remington Typewriter Corp.) One could reasonably call the #2 to, say, #100 coins "early strikes" but that would require both counting and examination. Such coins would have the characteristics of pieces made from fresh dies without the luster that soon forms from use. The exact cutoff would have to be an observational determination --- not something that will happen in a production environment. Edited September 5, 2021 by RWB Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 9/4/2021 at 6:44 PM, Fenntucky Mike said: Nice Ukrainian 2 million karbovantsiv commemorative the 10th anniversary of the Chernobyl tragedy. This is the version with the UN 1995 obverse. (The birds are Ukranian White Storks (cranes) which are symbols of family, and also of loss and renewal.) Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fenntucky Mike Posted September 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) The 1996 Chernobyl 10th Anniversary commemorative was produced by the Mint of Poland in Warsaw on behalf of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU), the 1995 UN 50th anniversary was produced at the British Royal Mint. A third commemorative marking 5 years of Independence in Ukraine was produced by the Mint of Moscow in 1996 using the same basic obverse design. All three obverse designs are slightly different, presumably due to the master hubs being produced at the three individual mints as opposed to being made at the NBU Banknote Printing and Minting Works (BPMW). There are two other coins in this series commemorating the Olympics both were produced by the Mint of Poland and had identical obverse designs which differed from the obverse design on the other three. It's a nice short set consisting of 5 coins, and since the Monetary Reform of Ukraine in 1996 replaced Karbovanets with Hryvnia their won't be any additional coins of this denomination minted. Probably. There was also a 200,000 karbovantsiv circulating coin minted by the NBU BPMW in 1996 consisting of the same basic obverse and reverse design as the Chernobyl 10th Anniversary Commemorative, it was cupronickel with a mintage of 250,000. Ag, 2MM karbovantsiv commemoratives. More info here: Set Details | NGC Registry | NGC (ngccoin.com) Cupronickel 200,000 karbovantsiv, circulating coin of 1996. Edited September 5, 2021 by Fenntucky Mike More Info Mr_Spud, Mohawk, rrantique and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 @Fenntucky Mike I never knew the tragic event at Chernobyl was commemorated. Thanks for the narrative and fine photos! Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 6:29 AM, Quintus Arrius said: I respect your beliefs, but in no particular order I would like to hear a few other members weigh in on this, including, but in no particular order, the following as they wish: @DWLange, @RWB, @VKurtB, @Just Bob & @Coinbuf. It’s a complete and utter marketing scam, nothing more. @RWB has nailed it. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coinbuf Posted September 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) On 9/5/2021 at 4:29 AM, Quintus Arrius said: I respect your beliefs, but in no particular order I would like to hear a few other members weigh in on this, including, but in no particular order, the following as they wish: @DWLange, @RWB, @VKurtB, @Just Bob & @Coinbuf. @RWB is correct that all these special first strike this and first day that is almost all just hyperbole used to sell to the uneducated QVC type buyers. It all means nothing, just marketing and a way for dealers to sell multiple examples of the very same thing to the very same customers. From what I've said some may think that I'm "dumping" on or that I consider the buyers of these labels insufficiently_thoughtful_persons, that is not true at all. I have no issue with anyone that buys these coins, I just want them to be educated about what they are buying so that they are not paying a premium price for non premium goods. It is not that dissimilar to the use of the term "error coins" most of which are not errors at all but rather just damaged, mangled, coins which if the mint had good quality controls would be retrieved and melted for scrap. But it is much easier for a dealer to sell a coin called an error than a coin which is referred to as damaged, thus the market for what (in my opinion) is damaged junk was born. Unfortunately the hobby is, and always has been, full of traps, pitfalls, hype, and outright boldface lies. That is why education about how coins are made is so valuable to collectors, if you know how something is made you can then be in the position to know when your leg is being pulled. Edited September 6, 2021 by Coinbuf VKurtB, rrantique, Lem E and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numismatic, A.A.S. Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 4:50 PM, Coinbuf said: @RWB is correct that all these special first strike this and first day that is almost all just hyperbole used to sell to the uneducated QVC type buyers. It all means nothing, just marketing and a way for dealers to sell multiple examples of the very same thing to the very same customers. From what I've said some may think that I'm "dumping" on or that I consider the buyers of these labels insufficiently_thoughtful_persons, that is not true at all. I have no issue with anyone that buys these coins, I just want them to be educated about what they are buying so that they are not paying a premium price for non premium goods. It is not that dissimilar to the use of the term "error coins" most of which are not errors at all but rather just damaged, mangled, coins which if the mint had good quality controls would be retrieved and melted for scrap. But it is much easier for a dealer to sell a coin called an error than a coin which is referred to as damaged, thus the market for damaged junk was born. Unfortunately the hobby is, and always has been, full of traps, pitfalls, hype, and outright boldface lies. That is why education about how coins are made is so valuable to collectors, if you know how something is made you can then be in the position to know when your leg is being pulled. On 9/5/2021 at 7:29 AM, Quintus Arrius said: I respect your beliefs, but in no particular order I would like to hear a few other members weigh in on this, including, but in no particular order, the following as they wish: @DWLange, @RWB, @VKurtB, @Just Bob & @Coinbuf. Uneducated QVC type buyers...? I need more clients like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 5:48 PM, Numismatic, A.A.S. said: Uneducated QVC type buyers...? I need more clients like that. The only thing more abundant than stupidity in this hobby are the con men ready to take advantage of it. Alex in PA. and R__Rash 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 9:56 PM, VKurtB said: The only thing more abundant than stupidity in this hobby are the con men ready to take advantage of it. The thing that kills me is by simply investigating that seller, my inbox continues to fill up with eBay scamsters with come-ons -- and I never even got a chance to place a bid! It was already 3x melt w/postage, and I guess the seller was obligated to wait out the full bidding period. Very sorry state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numismatic, A.A.S. Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 9:56 PM, VKurtB said: The only thing more abundant than stupidity in this hobby are the con men ready to take advantage of it. Strong statement, not that you considered the dealers and influential persons involved in that process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 @Numismatic, A.A.S. You bring up a good point which behooves us all to equal or better it. If someone were to ask you if you could ever possibly be the victim of a scam such as those that seem to afflict the elderly and infirm, intermittently, involving the loss of their entire life savings, you would likely state with no equivocation that such could never happen to you, correct? But the simple truth of the matter is the practiced scam artist has had an abundance of time with which to hone his craft and with a heightened sense of smell to vulnerabilities such as indecisiveness and vaccilation, chooses his weapon from a vast array with great care and strikes with precision. As it takes two to tango, he is powerless against the educated consumer with a strong resolve against those appealing for his complicity as dictated by common sense, logic and similar prior experience. Your state lottery says, You have to be in it to win it. And I have no opinion on those who do so long as they understand what gambling and casinos are in business for. I believe the vast majority of winners are the ones who stay out of them. Nothing is guaranteed in life but you'll do better if you take your time, familiarize yourself with the subject matter and deal with reputable sources with a proven track record of success. And since it is difficult for a simple person with simple tastes to win big consistently, you can always modify your expectations and learn how to minimize your losses. Very often you can come out ahead by doing absolutely nothing at all but walk away. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWB Posted September 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2021 "I have obtained some of the former ones through Coin Brokers, but am sick of their extortions...." [James S. Bryant, Waterford, CT March 1, 1866.] GoldFinger1969, Henri Charriere and rrantique 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 11:04 PM, Numismatic, A.A.S. said: Strong statement, not that you considered the dealers and influential persons involved in that process. I do include the wholesalers in my mini-rant, at least. And that includes at least two ANA “Dealers of the Year”, probably more. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Woods020 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 9/7/2021 at 5:00 PM, Coinbuf said: Beautiful coin, but I LOVE the image and layout. Did you take this? I may have to get some info on how you put this together. I just ordered my photo setup from Ray finally. Ready to get after it with some coin photos. Coinbuf and Henri Charriere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIII Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 9/8/2021 at 11:00 AM, Woods020 said: Beautiful coin, but I LOVE the image and layout. Did you take this? I may have to get some info on how you put this together. I just ordered my photo setup from Ray finally. Ready to get after it with some coin photos. PLEASE! Tell me when you get the photography portion down. I am at a loss as to get the best images possible. Ala, Stacks or HA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) On 9/8/2021 at 9:00 AM, Woods020 said: Beautiful coin, but I LOVE the image and layout. Did you take this? I may have to get some info on how you put this together. I just ordered my photo setup from Ray finally. Ready to get after it with some coin photos. No these images were done for me by Mark Goodman, he takes phenomenal coin images. I think he shot this coin back in the early twenty teens, not sure exactly when but long before I got semi serious with my photo setup from Ray. The layout was put together by a member of the PCGS forum in the early 2000's which he was gracious enough to share with the forum. If you have photoshop (I use elements) I would be happy to share the templates that were given to me by that member, I think I have 5 different templates. It takes some time to do each of these reflection photos as you have 4 photo layers plus the prep of the original photos to fit the template, once you do a couple it gets easier. Edited to add: Mark literally wrote the book on coin photography Link to Marks's book if you can find it it is a gold mine of information on taking coin photos. But his website also has some tips and pointers Mark's website look under articles and then basic coin photography to start. Edited September 8, 2021 by Coinbuf Woods020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Woods020 Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 9/8/2021 at 4:25 PM, Coinbuf said: No these images were done for me by Mark Goodman, he takes phenomenal coin images. I think he shot this coin back in the early twenty teens, not sure exactly when but long before I got semi serious with my photo setup from Ray. The layout was put together by a member of the PCGS forum in the early 2000's which he was gracious enough to share with the forum. If you have photoshop (I use elements) I would be happy to share the templates that were given to me by that member, I think I have 5 different templates. It takes some time to do each of these reflection photos as you have 4 photo layers plus the prep of the original photos to fit the template, once you do a couple it gets easier. It looks amazing Coinbuf, Numismatic, A.A.S. and Henri Charriere 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coinbuf Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/9/2021 at 12:13 PM, rrantique said: I really love the old alfa numeric ANA slabs like these. rrantique 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...