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It is going to end up being a lot of BS. I can see the replies from dealers all ready. You want to sell your MS65 but it is in an NGC or a PCGS holder so it is really a MS64 so you get half of that. If it was in a  CAC  holder it is a real MS65 You still get half from the dealer, but it is real. I still say it is all just an opinion and I am sure JA is not doing the grading by himself. It will be a new experience for all Numismatics everywhere. .  

On 12/30/2023 at 10:32 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

That's a nice'n.

I get enough Canadian coins in change that I started a few albums just to do something with them. 

We used to see a lot of Canadian change in the 60,70, and 80's when they could cross the border easily to work in New England. Not so much anymore.

I am not a collector of Canadian coins, but I always like it when I find a nice one in a roll of nickels. They are just so shiny. Not much nickel in them 94.5% steel. 

On 12/29/2023 at 7:56 PM, Abdulah said:

In fact, it's actually red RD, not brown BN, but because of the lack of lighting and the effect of reflections around it, it looks like it's dark, it looks like BN

Your closeups are good, next time you may want to try a white background it may help to show the true color of the coin.

It looks like it has done a lot of work in the last fifty years. Nice find Bill

It is not from a strike error just a scratch.

Sorry to say it looks like it has been damaged by some kind of tool.

It happens to me to don't feel bad, I just have to remember to look at the date. I think a lot of them get opened by internet Bots.

On 12/28/2023 at 8:34 AM, Mountings said:

 

Yes, an interesting topic

This is an old thread. Why would you reopen it with a comment?

2009 P+D are not easy to find at all. Even at coin shops and auctions.

On 12/27/2023 at 4:40 PM, Barry_1066 said:

I did not ask if this IS an error, I asked about other examples of this specific error.  That this is an error was not the purpose of the post, and I never expected such a hostile response.yes there is dirt to the left of the mm a a bit above, but not below where a clear strike exists.  Yes there is some dirt under the A bun not associated with the strike error.  As I said, I was looking for other examples, since, instead, as a whole, you choose to be dismissive, derisive, and frankly rude, I will leave you to it, and my estimation of your grading service is diminished.

I see the coin you have posted has many marks of circulation and wear. The members here do not work for NGC they are seasoned collectors like you, giving their honest opinions. I do see something under the mint mark but I do not think it is a RPM.

On 12/27/2023 at 4:09 PM, mlovmo said:

This also happens with "higher value, LEGIT coins," too. 

For example, a seller will list at eBay a coin that normally sells for, say, $2,500~$3,000 in the North American market/eBay for $7,000 BIN.

The seller does NOT expect anyone to buy it via eBay, of course.  EBay in this sense is only an ADVERTISING PLATFORM for this coin.

How?  Well, many dealers' eBay handles are exactly the same as the name of their coin business or online name they use elsewhere.

If buyers see this coin, they simply do a google search of that name and find the online store or email, or Facebook or IG page and THAT is where the real negotiations take place.

The seller and buyer agree to a price closer to that $2,500~$3,000 and terms (money now or coin first, or 50% now and 50% when coin arrives) and negotiate it all via PM or email.

The seller then pulls the listing and sells the coin according to the agreed terms.

The beauty of this method is that some insufficiently_thoughtful_person may just come along first and pay the $7,000 for the BIN price(!)

I thought you could not sell privately, items you had listed on eBay.

On 12/26/2023 at 4:45 PM, Henri Charriere said:

[Cosmology is the science of the origin and development of the universe.  I believe you meant cosmetologist. And while we're on mid-course corrections, the expression you likely intended to use elsewhere was "sleight" of hand.  Let it never be said ol' H never tries to be helpful when he can.]

 

Well seeing we are making corrections wasn't the title of your book (From Mine to Mint). Roger?

Sorry I see no coin to comment on.

On 12/25/2023 at 10:11 PM, EagleRJO said:

I'm not aware of any post strike process that may give the appearance of being wiped.  What are you thinking of?

Someone posted a coin that had scratches from someone that had wiped the coin before encapsulating it ..................So they said anyway ..., You could see the fine lines from a quick wipe. Not sure who did the wipe.

This coin does show a lot of plating issues. Even if it was a crack, with the stain I see on the reverse it is still only worth one cent. 

On 12/26/2023 at 1:30 PM, powermad5000 said:

I took a break from coins and the chat board for the holiday. As you graciously asked for opinions, I will gladly give my humble opinion.

Regardless of the amount or lack thereof circulation, this to me looks like either was stored very poorly or was part of an individual experiment such as let's see what happens if we leave it outside for a while, or it was dropped somewhere and later found. To me it looks like environmental damage.

The question I have for you is did you get this coin like this and add it to the bag or was it part of a bag that they were all "golden" and this is the only one that changed over time? Your answer might make me adjust my answer.

Thanks for the comment. I find sometimes people do not like to speculate. I found the coin as is and less than a year old and just put it in the bag with the others. I also think it is a posable experiment because the overall toning is perfectly even. It is not like a coin that was laying on the dirt, where one side would be different than the other with posable surface scratches. However now that 23 years have passed, I do notice some pitting in the fields that I did not see when I put it away. 

The coin is very common and looks to have been in circulation. I would say XF maybe, worth one dollar 

Sounds like a worthy project Mike ,I hope you can make it work for you and others.

We had a post a while back where someone had a 2021 morgan they submitted it as a new coin hoping for a MS70.. The coin came back as cleaned. It was said to have been wiped at the mint before receiving the coin.

 Going through some old coin finds this weekend. I have owned this coin for 23 years. It looks like a old copper cent. The coin is 88.5% copper. The toning is the same as the day I found it. You can see that it has very little wear. I had it in a bag with other 2000 Sac, coins. You can see where it had a couple of small hits where the gold color is showing under the brown tone. The question of the day is why did this coin tone in the first year of issue? There are stories of this coin having problems with the new metal mix of the coin. Also, a story of an experimental dip used to keep the coin stable, conducted at the mint. Feel free to say what you think it may or may not be. I thought it may be a good one to speculate on for Holiday fun.

There was a time in the past when it was acceptable to clean a coin. It was later determined that it was not a good idea to clean coins.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all.