GoldFinger1969

MI, just a point of interest....if you do want to know about Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles we have a great thread on Roger's book.  You can check it out -- or better yet, buy the book. 

On 10/13/2022 at 9:35 PM, VKurtB said:

Wait. You mean you DON’T have first-hand experience with that?

I traded in my 6-figure coins for some Woodrow Wilson $100,000 bills.  Get off my case !!  

On 10/13/2022 at 7:54 PM, Liam ll said:

I just opened a box and now have stack of St. Gaudians. There are only three lower grade Liberties.

Got it....and it's Saint-GAUDENS. 

Congratulations on your little stash.  Nice coins !  

On 10/13/2022 at 1:30 PM, ronnie stein said:

 It definitely opens up a lot of questions. I think this could be good, although he kind of hints that higher end coins will be their main customer base.

I would guess he's not looking to do re-grades of existing TPGs for small $$$....probably doesn't want to do bulk modern submissions, either.

Like you said, concentrating on the high-end kind of makes sense, at least starting out.

Does anybody know what fee is paid for a coin costing $100,000 from the TPGs (approx) ?  What about CAC ?

Nice coins.....Carson City coins have been hot for 2 years now. 

You can't touch Liberty Double Eagles without Big $$$ or if you really go down in grade for one of the more-populous types. 

On 10/13/2022 at 5:44 PM, AdamWL said:

You Bampaw's hoard/collection is awesome!

Who or what is "Bampaw" ??

He says he'll be phasing out the Green Sticker's (beans) over time.  Interesting......

On 10/13/2022 at 12:49 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

.....but you wouldn't know it because you took a powder for parts unknown.  😉 

Took a powder...or took a shower ? 

On 10/4/2020 at 4:04 PM, MarkFeld said:

Not nearly all well documented hoard coins command a premium.

Yes....so many are now marketing ploys.  Excercise caution and make sure you like the coin itself AND maybe the story that goes along with it.

Nice coins !!  

On 10/12/2022 at 8:31 AM, ldhair said:

Cool to see this old thread @GoldFinger1969

NGC may setup something for folks to get together. I missed the past two FUN shows. I'm already booked for this one.  Who plans to come? Dealers, please give us a table #.

Thanks LD....the main thing I learned is it is SO EASY to chit-chat and hang out when everybody who wants to is in th e same hotel.  That's something I want anybody reading this thread to know.

Last time, to save $$$, I was about 3/4 mile up the road and it meant much tougher to travel to the hotel(s) where you and others stayed at.  If I can go this year I'll ante up and stay at the place closest to the Convention Center (which also required special bus services to reach).  The Rosen Centre apparently will check all the boxes this year.

The one good thing about the place I stayed at was they had a good Thai restaurant literally across the street ! 

On 10/11/2022 at 9:59 PM, Tazcollector said:

I think all of the recent 08 NM 67 non-CAC trades have been in the $7K to $9K range. 

Yeah, that's the ball park.  Closer to mid-$7's based on HA.

On 10/11/2022 at 9:59 PM, Tazcollector said:

A CAC one traded for a little over $16K earlier this year at auction (don’t think it was Wells Fargo) but I’m aware of private sales a bit higher.  A couple of WF 68s have traded this year for $20K (there are zero 68 CAC out of a relatively large pop–CAC must not like them for some reason since I’m sure many have been submitted given the price point of that coin).

Rumour is that JA @ CAC is tough on gold and very much so on the 1908 WF NM's.  More so than non-WF 1908 NM's.  So if you have a CAC at the price inflection point it's going to jump the big gap between the 67's and 68's.   So I'm not surprised that the 67 CAC sold for $16,000.

For a while, no 1908 WF NM's had CACs (other 1908 NM's did), but as Mark Feld corrected me, today lots of the  Wells Fargo Hoard has gotten CAC'ed though not a high percentage of the entire hoard.

On 10/11/2022 at 7:48 PM, RWB said:

I've considered this several times and with varying rationales. There was never anything close to breaking even....expenses are too high. Plus, my distributor has all the books, and the rights to distributing them.

I would have to believe they wouldn't object to you marketing them 3 years after publication, but that's just me.

Don't think of it as a profit-and-loss thing.  Think of it as like visiting the Grand Canyon....something you should experience at least once !! 

Sure wish you and FUN could arrange a talk on Double Eagles, Hoards, or even humourous stories and developments with some of the more popular citations involving Saints/Double Eagles. 

On 10/11/2022 at 4:39 PM, MatthewDM11 said:

Thanks! I genuinely think it was a close call. 

Congrats !!  Enjoy your coin and a nice story to have followed ! 

I wonder how much of the interest in Ikes -- and other coins -- is because they were under-collected in the past and are "cheap" compared to other coins ?

I'm seeing "cheap rotation" in real estate, with higher-end homes getting no interest but lower-priced condos and homes for $150,000 - $300,000 getting interest as the cost of money has skyrocketed in a year.

On 10/11/2022 at 3:36 PM, EagleRJO said:

I actually like the modern gold coins more as (at least until recently) they were better struck with more detail, like the 2021 1 oz. gold eagles.

I picked up a 2015 AGE proof at FUN 2020.  Beautiful coin, nice NGC holder. 

On 4/22/2019 at 6:49 AM, bwolper said:

Thank you for the warm welcome and the good advice.  I look forward to spending time building my collection.

Bruce

Bruce, it's been 3 years....how goes the collection ?  What coins are you pursuing ?

On 7/10/2022 at 11:02 AM, ivanterror33 said:

I am feeling a little upset. I have some unslabbed modern gold proof coins hidden away. Today, upon inspection, one of them has a tiny red spot.

Since they were modern proofs, did you pay big premiums for them or just a few hundred bucks over spot (I presume they are 1 ounce) ?

On 10/11/2022 at 6:00 AM, ivanterror33 said:

Those were minted in the 1980s. I had those since early 2000s, some were passed down some were bought

It happens.  Don't let it get you upset.  Has happened to all of us with either gold or silver coins.

The only way -- er, best way -- is to buy older gold coins that haven't turned and are thus less likely to turn in the future.  I'm kind of surprised your coins turned, since some of them appear to have been pristine when you bought them 10-15 years earlier or more.

On 7/10/2022 at 4:55 PM, DWLange said:

NCS is very good at removing simple copper spots. It's the black "flyspecks" that may leave a ghost behind.

Isn't a minute fraction of a gram of gold being removed when spots are corrected, Dave ?

Interesting that MS-67 Wells Fargo Saints went up about 50% in price from mid-2020 to earlier this year, from about $11,000 to $17,000.  In that grade it's still pretty common, you'd think that boost would come at the 68 level but maybe it was dragged upwards.

Do NOT see that price jump at the MS-66 level for OGH or CAC coins, generally about $5,000 and $7,000, respectively.

Thinking about getting an OGH MS-66 if I can swing it.  If I goto FUN 2023 that'll be my main goal and would probably turn in some regular bullion coins to get the Wells Fargo Saint. 

On 10/11/2022 at 7:51 AM, RWB said:

Have they scheduled the hurricane and flooding yet? Great opportunity to pick up some nice used boat parts.

Thinking of coming ?  You should bring some of your books and either join a table or just sell them outside and sign 'em.  Probably find some hidden demand especially from those who may not be aware of them or would be more likely to buy direct from the author.  Plus, everybody has $$$. 

My astronomy club had a famous national (but local) astronomer/physicist who we wanted to speak for years....could never get him to come even though he was based in NYC most of the year....then about 15 yeas ago he just kinda invites himself to the event....we couldn't figure out why he was so gung-ho to talk...we didn't have the main lecture rooom available, it was booked....no problem he said....he'll talk in the gymnasium area....we wanted to delay him a year and give him prime billing but we didn't want to upset him...turns out he had a book out that year....brought about 200 of them and made a few thousand bucks that day.  

At least he came to the dinner that night ! 

On 10/11/2022 at 5:23 AM, MarkFeld said:

Presumably, from non full steps to full steps. But to me, it doesn’t look anywhere close to full steps.

NO, I meant $1,000 change from what to what.  Not familiar with pricing for this coin at all.

FUN JANUARY 5TH - 8TH, 2023:  The 68th Florida United Numismatists Convention is less than 3 months away !

I know a few people are going....last time these FUN threads were really active was right before FUN 2020, the first and last FUN show I attended, just before Covid hit.

I'm hoping to attend but not 100% sure myself.  I thought I'd bump this sucker so we can gauge who is attending and coordinate our stays so we are in the same area/hotels to make it easy to meet away from the show itself.  I believe the Rosen Centre is right across from where the show is being held (not sure of any other close hotels, I'm gonna research it).

Hopefully, whoever attends amongst us can meet up.  I know if I can get there that'll be my main reason for going as unlike FUN 2020 I won't be bringing a nice stash of cash.