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Really what kind of dealer would sell you a fake 2009 Proof ASE ?

I got lucky to get a Morgan P and a Peace dollar. Can I assume since I received an order confirmation that I will actually get them when they are minted. Oh and I also had a T2 proof Silver Eagle in my cart then the page crashed. Couple minutes later it was still in my cart but said NOT AVAILABLE. when I refreshed my cart was empty. If our military firmware works this poorly we're in deep doodoo.

Clerical mistakes should be reviewed and corrected immediately with high priority. How is a guarantee worth its weight if a simple mistake cannot be addressed in a timely manor ?

If they are nice solid coins buy them. Be careful not to over pay as Morgans are overpriced right now due to [I don't know what]. Then get them reholdered so they look better upright. And before some of you say "that's not good advice to give" I'll just say what good are your high end coins in old mishandled hacked up holders unless you really don't want them anyway. Nearly all of my NGC coins have been reholdered and are beauties.

You make a very good point however I'm having trouble making mine I guess. Just look at MS 70 silver Eagles and many have friction on the obverse breast plates from shipping in rolls. If I can see this with no magnification then it is not 70 even by TPG standards. When collectors paid several thousand dollars for a Pf 70 DCam Ike for instance, they might expect the most eye appeal for the money. Now as always eye appeal is of course subjective. And we also know that some series are graded technically while other especially older series are graded on eye appeal which makes the grade essentially an appraisal with many pieces having a mint state grade slapped on a lightly circulated (or rubbed) piece. So here is where the problem is..... collectors get stung because there is no consistency and therefore little or no guarantee to back that grade. Once those coins are in high grade holders, they will never get downgraded unless the grading services buy them. Do you see that happening ?

I think people realize that higher numbers of coins graded Pf 70 DCam that are not early strikes are just near perfect examples with not quite the eye appeal of the early strike coin. Since PCGS will not differentiate with a Star like qualifier, the few really superb early strike Pf 70 DCams have the same labels as the not so early strike coins. Thus many of these sell for lower prices.

This is exactly the point I attempted to make. PCGS will grade these coins Pf 70 DCam even with later die stage still getting DCam designation. I will guess that the reason NGC won't grade the 71 and 72 dated coins that high is because these grades are now assumed to be appraisals and rightly so will not risk liability on them. Many thousands of dollars have been lost on those coins as they change hands. This is why I hunted down the few Pf 69 Star Ultra Cameos for my collection as I believe they have better eye appeal than many of those PCGS Pf 70 DCams.

I'll assume you will make an announcement when you work will be published ? I've been following your excerpts with enthusiasm (and I don't even own a commemorative coin yet)

Oh my how things have changed since this thread started in 2009. Specifically Eisenhower Pf 70's. Look how few NGC Pf 70 Ikes have been graded compared to PCGS. Then look at how prices for the PCGS coins have tanked after collectors realize that those Pf 70 DCams don't have that early strike ultra heavy contrast that Pf 70 coins should have. Somehow PCGS has decided to grade them technically and look what happens...... such coins that sold for wildly inflated prices when first graded have now tanked to disgustingly low values. You want one ? Several for sale tonight at Great Collections. I quickly realized I could get ultimate heavy contrast coins in NGC holders that are nearly perfect that blow many of the Pf 70 DCams out of the water. These reside in Pf 69 Star Ultra Cameo holders and there are only a few available. '76-S coins appear to be the only ones really offered. Here is a couple I own.

There's no doubt eldritches reside beneath my deck but they won't show themselves.

Okay thanks. I still think [beyond the PVC] there is too many face hits for MS 64, just sayin.

How is a Bitcoin legal ?

Snipes do exist but I have never spotted one in Indiana yet

Certainly the distrust in NGC could be an honest reaction but once cracked out nobody knows if that coin was ever in any NGC holder

The other day I saw a cover of an older Wall Street Journal with a picture of the Navy Hospital Ship brought in to a New York harbor to help reduce overcrowding in hospitals. As I remember it's offering by the Trump Administration was refused by the governor for stated false reasons now evident. And don't forget current administration was hesitant to take the 'Trump vaccine' prior to the election and now insist everyone take it now that it is safe after the election. Therefore I think a coin with the Navy ship on the obverse and New York governor jumping overboard on the reverse would be fitting.

Since you never showed the obverse slab with coin number before it was cracked out no one can be sure your coin is that NGC MS 64 you say it was.

Holders that early don't have images. Looks okay to me. NGC used to do an appearance review at no charge for coins you think are over graded.

My point was that [from the image] in the square holder that was not an MS 64 coin. I have cracked a few AU 58's for my Peace Dollar Dansco set so I am somewhat familiar with the process. My method is certainly not condoned but generally both TPG's slabs are so well sealed sonically that seams cannot be separated without leaving a jagged edge.

How did you get that slab open without destroying it ? Coin looks like no better than MS 62 to me. Something funny about this.

Forgot this article. Great reference piece thank you

These would likely be labeled 'altered surfaces' if genuine and I'll bet Mr. Lange could offer further explanation. Obviously the original deceptive pieces would be of the 'No Cents' variety. The one I owned years ago I think was that variety but was not fresh shiny gold like some appear to be.

I have owned one. Also many are available on ebay. As a side note I see several available with full detail probably AU. As I remember mine was not heavily plated and may not have been plated at all but was gold colored at least. It is no longer in my possession however. Note that some are 'With Cents' variety.

No patterns issued in any but their proper metal ? Many were issued in multiple metals especially in 1870 ?

I strongly advise against having it slabbed, you will be disappointed. Millions of these can be found with no problems or you could even buy one already slabbed in Pf 69 Ultra Cameo on the cheap. For a little more money look for a piece graded Pf 69 Star Ultra Cameo with optimum eye appeal as an early strike.

Cracked die is an error ? Whose fault is it ?