Popular Post Henri Charriere Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Regarding my rooster query... lousy pictures? What do you expect with a knock-off cell from a Cracker Jack box? I believe of the four dozen or so roosters I have, this one is truly magnificent. In fact, it's exceptional eye appeal is intense. With 3% of all precincts reporting, the voting has broken down thusly: gmarguli - MS 66; Hoghead515 - MS 65; and MarkFeld - MS 63. A European outpost of NGC assigned the coin a grade of MS 67. I had it cross-graded on the West Coast at MS-67. (The cryptic scribble I received from some unknown party suggested, contrary to Alex of PA's earlier-on-this-thread reference, that had I submitted it raw, it would have graded MS 68 -- which would have made it the first in the entire series graded by any TPGS assigned that grade. Contrary to the observations made by the aforementioned members, the surfaces are pristine, the example is strongly struck with ample original mint luster. In short, it is a gorgeous coin which, quite frankly, puts all five of my other MS 67's (and most of my MS 66's) to shame, each of which bear minor distractions with some being quite staid, unappealing and downright boring. There would be little point in pressing the issue without actually having the coin in hand but I do appreciate the input and accept each of your opinions based on the circumstances at hand. The actual differential in value represented by the single-point chasm is of no concern to me. An accurate appraisal is the only matter of paramount importance to me. To illustrate my point, I have asked a California concern from whom I just purchased an 1908 rooster to forward it to PCGS for cross-grading at its present MS 67 appraisal. Without prompting, she assured me if it failed to cross, she would have it re-encapsulated. The truth is I was more interested in an accurate grade even if it meant a loss of hundreds of dollars in value. I believe it was my esteemed colleague, MarkFeld who questioned what bearing (validity) this had on the OP's complaint. The truth is I too am disappointed with the verdicts rendered on my coin but I won't know whether I ought to be until I am privileged enough to examine examples of higher grades when and if they should become available. Edited December 12, 2020 by Quintus Arrius Clarification Hoghead515, Modwriter and CoinJockey73 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modwriter Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 The old Modwriter in me wants to say something to the OP, but alas, the new Modwriter isnt in the mood, except to say the OP needs to move on and keep hunting for that elusive MS70. Anybody know who the new Secretary of the Treasury will be? Will we be saying goodbye to the cent and nickel? Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said: Thread closed? Already? You just got here! Do drop in from time to time... I do plan on coming here from time to time, I have a 1964 Medal that NGC is currently grading. I'm hoping I get Top Pop 1 of 1 and changing me avi so people can see me and my Llama Edited December 12, 2020 by NevadaS&G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Modwriter said: The old Modwriter in me wants to say something to the OP, but alas, the new Modwriter isnt in the mood, except to say the OP needs to move on and keep hunting for that elusive MS70. Anybody know who the new Secretary of the Treasury will be? Will we be saying goodbye to the cent and nickel? No one will know who the new Treasury Sec'y will be until his appointment. (I don't care for the present one and care less for his primary donna wife.) The cent serves no useful purpose. Worse, it's not even real; it is an embarrassment. The nickel is okay. For now. At some point, I hope the whole shebang is revamped and a fitting tribute is created for observance of the country's sestercentennial in 2026. CoinJockey73 and Hoghead515 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said: No one will know who the new Treasury Sec'y will be until his appointment. (I don't care for the present one and care less for his primary donna wife.) The cent serves no useful purpose. Worse, it's not even real; it is an embarrassment. The nickel is okay. For now. At some point, I hope the whole shebang is revamped and a fitting tribute is created for observance of the country's sestercentennial in 2026. I agree. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they done away with the cent. They are a pain to roll up and would be easier to just round up to the nearest 5 cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Carrying on this was graded an MS-64 by pcgs, I dont see it.... Minimum 65.They should be ashamed for sending me back my coins. I will break their cases with a hammer later tonight MAULEMALL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: I will break their cases with a hammer later tonight Do we really have to hear more? After that you can start a thread about how bad NGC treated you when you get their grades back. A fool and his money............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Carrying on this was graded an MS-64 by pcgs, I dont see it.... Minimum 65.They should be ashamed for sending me back my coins. I will break their cases with a hammer later tonight If you had posted this coin as a "Guess the Grade," I would have guessed MS63+. Evidently, you and I grade to different standards. gmarguli and jerseycat10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Just Bob said: If you had posted this coin as a "Guess the Grade," I would have guessed MS63+. Evidently, you and I grade to different standards. I would have guessed 64. Regardless, PCGS need not be ashamed. Edited December 12, 2020 by MarkFeld gmarguli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Alright I guess you guys don't want me to go into next week, I will stop. The 81 S isn't the best example. I have better ones. As for the Biden comment that really wasn't Political. Actually, the 1881-S might have served as an excellent example. Based on the images, if you thought it deserved a 65 or better, you don’t appear to be on the same page as PCGS and NGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: Actually, the 1881-S might have served as an excellent example. Based on the images, if you thought it deserved a 65 or better, you don’t appear to be on the same page as PCGS and NGC. I agree with this one, probably the most accurately graded on in my submission. It doesn't deserve a 65 but its borderline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Carrying on this was graded an MS-64 by pcgs, I dont see it.... Minimum 65.They should be ashamed for sending me back my coins. I will break their cases with a hammer later tonight I have to agree with 64 on this one. I think the cheek just had a little too much chatter to get 65. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: I agree with this one, probably the most accurately graded on in my submission. It doesn't deserve a 65 but its borderline Before you stated “Carrying on this was graded an MS-64 by pcgs, I dont see it.... Minimum 65...” When you complain about a coin like that in such a way, it severely undermines your credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAULEMALL Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, NevadaS&G said: Carrying on this was graded an MS-64 by pcgs, I dont see it.... Minimum 65.They should be ashamed for sending me back my coins. I will break their cases with a hammer later tonight They gifted you a 64 and you are gonna crack it Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Uncertainty goes with the territory. The OP is highly upset. Ironically, had I received a 65, or greater on either of two coins I have, I would be ecstatic. To date, no 1901 or 1902 French 20-franc gold rooster has ever been graded MS 65, or higher, out of a mintage of some 5,000,000 coins. And should such examples surface, depending on prevailing demand their FMV will be skewed by collectors like me who insist on having the best, price being no object. I wish the OP the very best and want to assure him we have all experienced setbacks at one time or another. CoinJockey73 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Im going to crack it as they massacred my entire Submission. So what they got one right, At least now it will be in a NGC MS64 holder and I will Pay for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 What I haven't told anyone yet is that I sent PCGS an email previous to sending in my Submission on the validity of the Tidy House Morgan grade and stating my claim for a SINGLE DIGIT UPGRADE, they said no problem as the grade was in question. I would never have never sent them anything if they didn't agree upon it. They then turned their backs and took the money, After that I couldn't communicate with them at all. That's what most of this is all about. and the lowballed grades of my other coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: What I haven't told anyone yet is that I sent PCGS an email previous to sending in my Submission on the validity of the Tidy House Morgan grade and stating my claim for a SINGLE DIGIT UPGRADE, they said no problem as the grade was in question. I would never have never sent them anything if they didn't agree upon it. They then turned their backs and took the money, After that I couldn't communicate with them at all. That's what most of this is all about. and the lowballed grades of my other coins. I can’t imagine PCGS replying to such an email, and without first re-examining the coin, stating “no problem” with respect to an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Is this another MS-63 coin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: I can’t imagine PCGS replying to such an email, and without first re-examining the coin, stating “no problem” with respect to an upgrade. Well they did initially. I have the email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Is this another MS-63 coin ? The one side that I can see looks like a 64. Edited December 12, 2020 by MarkFeld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Well they did initially. I have the email. My bet is that you omitted, paraphrased and/or misconstrued something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Here's the Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, NevadaS&G said: Here's the Reverse Based on the pictures, my guess would have been 64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 You guessed wrong MarkField Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: You guessed wrong MarkField Yes, he did and so did Mark Feld. I do that more than on rare occasions. comicdonna and NevadaS&G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Still haven't gotten to my MS66+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Still haven't gotten to my MS66+ I haven’t seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Well Ignoring me, My Initial Submission my Email attempts and blocking off all communication, throwing my coins in a bin down the line for Esmerelda from Santa Ana to grade cost that Company 5 Benjamins. We used to have Customer Service in this country and now we have nothing. Edited December 12, 2020 by NevadaS&G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarguli Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Still haven't gotten to my MS66+ Or anything to back up what you've been saying... MAULEMALL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...