NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I recently burned 69 dollars at PCGS and sent 10 coins for grading (300$ +). What a Disappointment. All my coins came back with lowball grades and one has an extra Deep Scratch. I had a MS66+ Morgan that can back MS64. Account deleted ! I've learned my lesson. I'm sticking to NGC & Anacs exclusively. I feel so stupid, they are based out of California so who knows what's going on out there. Maybe they are Antifa Who charges a 69 dollar membership fee anyway. Its got a deviant connotation that goes right along with NFC ? I urge people to stay away from this Company, maybe they are perverts GoldFinger1969, Henri Charriere, UrbanDecay4 and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just Auto renewed my NGC Membership.... I feel like a heel for even trying PCGS Henri Charriere, GoldFinger1969 and JT2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Interesting, most of the time I think they tend to overgrade/inflate the grades, however as long as your happier with the service here then its all good. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simple Collector Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I think both NGC and PCGS are good tpg's but do seem to grade some series a little different. On crossovers, my success has been about 75% from PCGS to NGC. i also find it better to purchase coins already graded sometimes to ease the heartbreak. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Simple Collector said: I think both NGC and PCGS are good tpg's but do seem to grade some series a little different. On crossovers, my success has been about 75% from PCGS to NGC. i also find it better to purchase coins already graded sometimes to ease the heartbreak. Same here. I can't afford to buy the big dollar coins. The ones I usually buy it is cheaper for me to buy them already slabbed. I get some graded. Like my v75 ASE and v75 silver medal. Also u know what your getting most the time when they are already graded. Edited December 10, 2020 by Hoghead515 Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Coinbuf said: Interesting, most of the time I think they tend to overgrade/inflate the grades, however as long as your happier with the service here then its all good. I most definitely will stay here at NGC because the service is beyond stellar and I can rest assured they wont pick at my coin with a medical scalpel trying to find imaginary puddy like PCGS just did. Edited December 10, 2020 by NevadaS&G Hoghead515 and Henri Charriere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hoghead515 Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: I most definitely will stay here at NGC because the service is beyond stellar and I can rest assured they wont pick at my coin with a medical scalpel trying to find imaginary puddy like PCGS just did. I swear to god if i could find the person who did that to my coin he would have a black eye. I like NGC's slabs and labels a whole lot better also. Everyone has their own opinions but when I plan on buying a coin already graded I try my best to find it in an NGC slab. Unless its a great deal and a very nice coin and then I will buy one in PCGS. As far as having them graded ive never submitted any to PCGS. All the ones I have sent in to NGC ive been more than happy with the results. So I figured im gonna stay here unless something drastic happens. JT2, Henri Charriere and JamieinMN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Hoghead515 said: I like NGC's slabs and labels a whole lot better also. Everyone has their own opinions but when I plan on buying a coin already graded I try my best to find it in an NGC slab. Unless its a great deal and a very nice coin and then I will buy one in PCGS. As far as having them graded ive never submitted any to PCGS. All the ones I have sent in to NGC ive been more than happy with the results. So I figured im gonna stay here unless something drastic happens. A lot of times I make a mistake wanting to try something new. It's been my Achilles heel since I was 7, not satisfied with something good and there i go making a rash decision. I have to crack all 10 coins now and send them back to NGC. Lesson learned. NGC is the #1 TPG, i think PCGS is only for people who stay in their Beachfront Luxury Hotels hobnobbing with Multi-Millionaires. I feel like i've been Tooled Henri Charriere, jerseycat10, RonnieR131 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modwriter Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, NevadaS&G said: I recently burned 69 dollars at PCGS and sent 10 coins for grading (300$ +). What a Disappointment. All my coins came back with lowball grades and one has an extra Deep Scratch. I had a MS66+ Morgan that can back MS64. Account deleted ! I've learned my lesson. I'm sticking to NGC & Anacs exclusively. I feel so stupid, they are based out of California so who knows what's going on out there. Maybe they are Antifa Who charges a 69 dollar membership fee anyway. Its got a deviant connotation that goes right along with NFC ? I urge people to stay away from this Company, maybe they are perverts Wow. Never had any problems with PCGS. Did you offend them in any manner whatsover? Edited December 10, 2020 by Modwriter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Modwriter Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: A lot of times I make a mistake wanting to try something new. It's been my Achilles heel since I was 7, not satisfied with something good and there i go making a rash decision. I have to crack all 10 coins now and send them back to NGC. Lesson learned. NGC is the #1 TPG, i think PCGS is only for people who stay in their Beachfront Luxury Hotels hobnobbing with Multi-Millionaires. I feel like i've been Tooled I do stay in Newport. Great city. I missed their last show with Stacks. I drank too much Fireball. Had my coins with me. Started filling out the Great Collections forms after Randy showed up. I got up the next day and they looked like a first grader filled them out. lol. Glad he didnt pick them up. NevadaS&G, Hoghead515, RonnieR131 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Modwriter said: Wow. Never had any problems with PCGS. Did you offend them in any manner whatsover? I've offended the Entire State of California. Thankfully I moved to Nevada almost a Decade Ago. Stress Factor has gone down 100 fold + we have a lot of horses here that are very hard to offend. Lots of cowpoke with horses on the Northern side of Town. Edited December 10, 2020 by NevadaS&G RonnieR131 and Henri Charriere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morpheus1967 Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, NevadaS&G said: I have to crack all 10 coins now and send them back to NGC. Lesson learned. NGC is the #1 TPG, i think PCGS is only for people who stay in their Beachfront Luxury Hotels hobnobbing with Multi-Millionaires. I feel like i've been Tooled You do realize you are playing a very expensive game here right? You also realize that coin grading is subjective? You could very well receive the same grades re-submitting to NGC that you just received from PCGS. Or lower grades. Or higher grades. Instead of just cracking them out and re-submitting again, perhaps try and learn why they graded the way they did. Edited December 10, 2020 by Morpheus1967 Typo MarkFeld, Alex in PA. and Fenntucky Mike 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex in PA. Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) You've made some serious accusations here NevadaS&G. PCGS "scratched" your coin? Can you prove this. You say PCGS gave you a MS 64 grade for an MS 66 coin. Who says the coin was MS 66; you? Show us some pictures of the 'ruined' coin and the MS 66. It's easy to blame the TPGs but hard to accept the responsibility. What makes you think NGC will give you any better? Will we see a thread dissing NGC in the future? "March 25, 2004 NGC is slightly looser above MS65, but I believe that is a good thing. With PCGS you have a grade distribution like this: MS66: 131 MS67: 52 MS68: 0 With NGC it is frequently: MS66: 127 MS67: 43 MS68: 7 Some people point to this as NCG being looser or PCGS be more conservative. I believe it shows that NGC is being more accurate in its grading. With PCGS they have lumped a bunch of coins into one top grade. Perhaps all those coins do technically grade MS67. However, the marketplace values the higher quality examples more than the lower quality examples. With PCGS you have to take the dealers word or know how to grade them. With NGC they have put the top few "possibly technically MS67", yet superb for the grade coins into a higher grade slab to separate them from the rest. Basically, they have helped rank the quality of the coins. PCGS has taken MS66.8-to-MS68.2 coins and put them in MS67 slabs. NGC has taken the MS67.8+ coins and put them in MS68 slabs". Edited December 10, 2020 by Alex in PA. corrections JT2, MAULEMALL and gmarguli 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 6 hours ago, NevadaS&G said: I have to crack all 10 coins now and send them back to NGC. 10 hours ago, NevadaS&G said: All my coins came back with lowball grades and one has an extra Deep Scratch. I'd think about leaving them in the PCGS slabs, a third round of grading is probably not going to net you much other than more expense. Especially if they were mishandled as you claim. Do you have some before and after pics of one or two of the coins, I'd really like to see that 66+ that dropped 2+ points, that's surprising. Especially since PCGS seems to get called out for gradeflation more often than not, more so on the big ticket coins. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAULEMALL Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Well you got your ball... Adios RonnieR131 and Alex in PA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhair Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I'll wait for the OP to post the proof of what he is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I would like to see pics of the coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_OldeTowne Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Far too much consternation goes into which grading service is "better", and I am often dismayed and a mused over the endless threads and discourse (far and away, mostly ATS) to "prove" that X is "better" than Y. Great coins exist in every single legitimate company's slabs and I prefer to focus on that. For reasons beyond "grading", I do prefer NGC, but my certified collection contains a substantial percentage of PCGS and ANACS coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieR131 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 You've said way too much without showing the pics. ---- Don't disrespect those cowboys, they've been known to encapsulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Modwriter said: Wow. Never had any problems with PCGS. Did you offend them in any manner whatsover? Code 94 Altered Surfaces The gash in the cheek looks fresh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 They either didn't want to give me a Numeric Grade, or they damaged it. One or both either way, I'm not sending Shiff there any more ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAULEMALL Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, NevadaS&G said: Code 94 Altered Surfaces The gash in the cheek looks fresh... Thats a well struck Morgan... And since I don't have a clue as to the freshness of the "scratch" I will say that it is a Nice looking coin either way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Out of the 10 I sent all 10 came back MS64 or less, Some look much better than this 94, Something is rotten in Denmark ! Edited December 10, 2020 by NevadaS&G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarguli Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Alex in PA. said: "March 25, 2004 NGC is slightly looser above MS65, but I believe that is a good thing. With PCGS you have a grade distribution like this: MS66: 131 MS67: 52 MS68: 0 With NGC it is frequently: MS66: 127 MS67: 43 MS68: 7 Some people point to this as NCG being looser or PCGS be more conservative. I believe it shows that NGC is being more accurate in its grading. With PCGS they have lumped a bunch of coins into one top grade. Perhaps all those coins do technically grade MS67. However, the marketplace values the higher quality examples more than the lower quality examples. With PCGS you have to take the dealers word or know how to grade them. With NGC they have put the top few "possibly technically MS67", yet superb for the grade coins into a higher grade slab to separate them from the rest. Basically, they have helped rank the quality of the coins. PCGS has taken MS66.8-to-MS68.2 coins and put them in MS67 slabs. NGC has taken the MS67.8+ coins and put them in MS68 slabs". This person sounds very wise. MAULEMALL and Alex in PA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex in PA. Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, gmarguli said: This person sounds very wise. He is. Very wise and his knowledge of numismatics is unparalleled. I have known him for years. Edited December 10, 2020 by Alex in PA. Spelling Hoghead515, Henri Charriere, Morpheus1967 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, NevadaS&G said: Code 94 Altered Surfaces The gash in the cheek looks fresh... Based on the image, the scratch doesn’t appear fresh. If it were, it would likely be shiny. jgrinz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Fenntucky Mike said: I'd think about leaving them in the PCGS slabs, a third round of grading is probably not going to net you much other than more expense. Especially if they were mishandled as you claim. Do you have some before and after pics of one or two of the coins, I'd really like to see that 66+ that dropped 2+ points, that's surprising. Especially since PCGS seems to get called out for gradeflation more often than not, more so on the big ticket coins. I’m under the impression that the coins have been graded once, not twice. And that the “66+” was the poster’s opinion on an ungraded coin. Hopefully, he can set the record straight. Revenant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 20 hours ago, NevadaS&G said: I recently burned 69 dollars at PCGS and sent 10 coins for grading (300$ +). What a Disappointment. All my coins came back with lowball grades and one has an extra Deep Scratch. I had a MS66+ Morgan that can back MS64. Account deleted ! I've learned my lesson. I'm sticking to NGC & Anacs exclusively. I feel so stupid, they are based out of California so who knows what's going on out there. Maybe they are Antifa Who charges a 69 dollar membership fee anyway. Its got a deviant connotation that goes right along with NFC ? I urge people to stay away from this Company, maybe they are perverts Curiously, what was the cost of the NGC membership? Crawtomatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 The 66+ was graded 3rd Party Grading, I'm not naming names but it was in a holder previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaS&G Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: Curiously, what was the cost of the NGC membership? 20 USD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
