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1 hour ago, Jason Abshier said:

....This but when it comes to World coins Go 100% with NGC they have more of a data base and foot hold on world coins 

This may be true generally but I can speak with confidence on those matters I have an intimate familiarity with which is the tiny little niche consisting of the very last 16 coins minted in the French 20-franc line referred here to as "gold roosters" and over there as or Coq Marianne, 1899-1914.

Anyone who chooses to collect this series and decides to assemble them runs into what I call an "invisible wall."  He will find out, painfully, that PCGS has apparently effectively locked down the first half of the series, 1899-1906, while the latter half, 1907-1914 appears to be the province of NGC.

Anyone who doubts may investigate the matter on their own taking a look at the Set Registries of both. The Line of Partition (official unrecognized) my be seen as described above.

There are two theories why registrants abandon the effort to complete their collections.  Non-availability of the earlier originals (1899-1906) and the prohibitive expense of the latter, known as re-strikes (1907-1914) because they resumed minting them decades later.

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On 12/15/2020 at 9:13 PM, NevadaS&G said:

I can only hope NGC grades that 1889 very soon so I can shove it in your faces and declare myself the Winner.

On 12/15/2020 at 9:13 PM, NevadaS&G said:

I can only hope NGC grades that 1889 very soon so I can shove it in your faces and declare myself the Winner.

It's been five months and as one of the few loyal remaining fans you have that was here with you from the beginning, I would be curious to know how your coin made out at NGC.  I am sorry you moved on because this place can use a little stimulation now and again.  All the best!

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1 hour ago, Mr.Bill347 said:

Nevada, this is my NGC MS63. Sorry but I cannot see a comparison to your coin pictures. IMHO3D1BCB15-919B-4682-9DA7-8381D358467B.thumb.png.315dca4dc5e5fdc5650db6034f3b9715.png

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A 63 is a nice 1921 Morgan. There are sooooo many crummy ones. 

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7 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

[As you may have heard, unless I am sadly mistaken, NGC in early May 2021 announced a dedicated Set Registry for toners.  I do not recall the denomination chosen.]

That’s fine. I don’t particularly care for Set Registries or even Morgan dollars, either. 

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7 hours ago, VKurtB said:

That’s fine. I don’t particularly care for Set Registries or even Morgan dollars, either. 

[As offensive as you may find the very thought, I believe the vaccine administered to you failed to inoculate you against the disease and as a result you are not as yet, if ever you were, effectively immunized against anti-Morganization and Set Registration, activities engaged in, rather harmlessly I might add, by tens of thousands of those comprising the coin collecting sect.

If this keeps up I will have no choice but to foist upon you a brand-spanking new 2021 Morgan when they are ready for release, if I am one of the few lucky ones to be permitted to order one, gratis, with a phony return address, just for spite, so you will have no choice but to keep it. :whistle:

 

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11 hours ago, Mr.Bill347 said:

Nevada, this is my NGC MS63. Sorry but I cannot see a comparison to your coin pictures. IMHO3D1BCB15-919B-4682-9DA7-8381D358467B.thumb.png.315dca4dc5e5fdc5650db6034f3b9715.png

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Nevada got banned. That is a very nice Morgan. Clean looking. 

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3 hours ago, Hoghead515 said:

Nevada got banned.

You're kidding me.  He was already out the door! He was leaving voluntarily!  He was here such a short time, serious collectors like Goldfinger engaged in productive pursuits, didn't even get a chance to know him.   Maulemaule mauled me and Alex fr PA sicced one of his ferocious dogs on me, re-breaking my broken leg just for sticking up for him. All the naysayers had to do was simply turn the page like many of them do now.  Get a load of this: they were pissed because he failed to substantiate the admittedly outlandish claims he made for which he was denounced as a liar.  Big deal!  He was just blowing off steam and was barely here a week. I don't recall anyone demanding to see documentary proof of my existence. If you were to go to a cop and complain Quintus Arrius did such-and-such, you'd get a blank stare.  It's only a user-name, get it? The only time it has appeared in print was when it was engraved on a plague given to me by PCGS for having, among other things, the "Best French Set" this year. Like it or not, I made #1 on two lists: Current and All-Time.  Mission accomplished. (And I'm not even thru yet.)

There is a long-time member here who has made his dislike for me so intense that when I offered to buy a coin he posted, at what I thought was clearly an extra-exorbitant price, intentionally, to overcome his resistance to me, instead of saying, No, he shot back:  "You wouldn't want it.  It's counterfeit." Did I raise a hue and cry about it?  As Curley of The Three Stooges would famously say, "Soytenlee knot!" 

The NV guy was totally harmless.  Never sold anyone snake oil. Never even tried to get one over on anyone.  Plenty of people have committed worse crimes. He was a dealer.  Has no dealer ever exaggerated, manipulated, mis-led, or fleeced you?  This was a self-moderating episode. I found him to be No worse than any other poster on-line.  Is anyone out a cent because of his insistence another TPGS cheated him? He wasn't out to get anybody here. No one was obligated to pay heed to him.  Whatever happened to leaving someone to their own devices or simply ignoring him?  It takes two to tango, right?  I don't even know why I even bother with this anymore.

If anyone here wants to make himself useful, give me a lead on someone, anyone, who has for sale a 1910, 1913 or 1914 P-certified MS-67 or, for those who seek a real challenge, an 1899 thru 1906 P-certified at MS-66. I collect only one series; you know what it is without my having to say so. So get to work.  This will separate the collector from the contender.  Good luck!  Guess I'll have to send NV my congratulations for turning the focus here back on me with his absense as well as my congratulations for his refusal to be intimidated by those who aren't even here regularly, if not full-time, and for dancing around those who were hell-bent on humiliating an average Joe who sought his fifteen minutes of fame -- and never hurt a fly in doing so. And if expressing my thoughts freely makes me the next candidate for banishment to Bogeyland, so be it.

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3 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

You're kidding me.  He was already out the door! He was leaving voluntarily!  He was here such a short time, serious collectors like Goldfinger engaged in productive pursuits, didn't even get a chance to know him.   Maulemaule mauled me and Alex fr PA sicced one of his ferocious dogs on me, re-breaking my broken leg just for sticking up for him. All the naysayers had to do was simply turn the page like many of them do now.  Get a load of this: they were pissed because he failed to substantiate the admittedly outlandish claims he made denouncing him as a troll. Big deal!  He was just blowing off steam and was barely here a week. I don't recall anyone demanding to see documentary proof of my existence. If you were to go to a cop and complain Quintus Arrius did such-and-such, you'd get a blank stare.  It's only a user-name, get it? The only time it has appeared in print was when it was engraved on a plague given to me by PCGS for having, among other things, the "Best French Set" this year.

There is a long-time member here who has made his dislike for me so intense that when I offered to buy a coin he posted at an exorbitant price, intentionally, to overcome his resistance to me,, instead of saying, No, he shot back:  "You wouldn't want it.  It's counterfeit." Did I raise a hue and cry about it?  As Curley of The Three Stooges would famously say, "Soytenlee knot!" 

The NV guy was totally harmless.  Never sold anyone snake oil. Never even tried to get one over on anyone.  Plenty of people have committed worse crimes. He was a dealer.  Has no dealer ever exaggerated, manipulated, mis-led, or fleeced you?  This was a self-moderating episode. I found him to be No worse than any other poster on-line.  Is anyone out a cent because of his insistence another TPGS cheated him? He wasn't out to get anybody here. No one was obligated to pay heed to him.  Whatever happened to leaving someone to their own devices or simply ignoring him?  It takes two to tango, right?  I don't even know why I even bother with this anymore.

If anyone want to make themselves useful, give me a lead on someone, anyone who has for sale a 1910, 1913 or 1914 P-graded MS-67 or, for those who seek a real challenge, an 1899 thru 1906 P-graded at MS-66. I collect only one series, you know what it is without me having to say so, so get to work.  This will separate the collector from the contender.  Good luck!  Guess I'll have to send NV my congratulations for turning the focus here back on me with his absense as well as my congratulations for refusing to be intimidated by those who aren't even here regularly, if not full-time, for dancing around those who were hell-bent on humiliating an average Joe who sought his fifteen minutes of fame -- and never hurt a fly in doing so. And if expressing my thoughts freely makes me the next candidate for banishment to Bogeyland, so be it.

I'm pretty sure he did anyway. He said some things and then was suddenly there no more. 

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38 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

You're kidding me.  He was already out the door! He was leaving voluntarily!  He was here such a short time, serious collectors like Goldfinger engaged in productive pursuits, didn't even get a chance to know him.   Maulemaule mauled me and Alex fr PA sicced one of his ferocious dogs on me, re-breaking my broken leg just for sticking up for him. All the naysayers had to do was simply turn the page like many of them do now.  Get a load of this: they were pissed because he failed to substantiate the admittedly outlandish claims he made for which he was denounced as a liar.  Big deal!  He was just blowing off steam and was barely here a week. I don't recall anyone demanding to see documentary proof of my existence. If you were to go to a cop and complain Quintus Arrius did such-and-such, you'd get a blank stare.  It's only a user-name, get it? The only time it has appeared in print was when it was engraved on a plague given to me by PCGS for having, among other things, the "Best French Set" this year. Like it or not, I made #1 on two lists: Current and All-Time.  Mission accomplished. (And I'm not even thru yet.)

There is a long-time member here who has made his dislike for me so intense that when I offered to buy a coin he posted, at what I thought was clearly an extra-exorbitant price, intentionally, to overcome his resistance to me, instead of saying, No, he shot back:  "You wouldn't want it.  It's counterfeit." Did I raise a hue and cry about it?  As Curley of The Three Stooges would famously say, "Soytenlee knot!" 

The NV guy was totally harmless.  Never sold anyone snake oil. Never even tried to get one over on anyone.  Plenty of people have committed worse crimes. He was a dealer.  Has no dealer ever exaggerated, manipulated, mis-led, or fleeced you?  This was a self-moderating episode. I found him to be No worse than any other poster on-line.  Is anyone out a cent because of his insistence another TPGS cheated him? He wasn't out to get anybody here. No one was obligated to pay heed to him.  Whatever happened to leaving someone to their own devices or simply ignoring him?  It takes two to tango, right?  I don't even know why I even bother with this anymore.

If anyone here wants to make himself useful, give me a lead on someone, anyone, who has for sale a 1910, 1913 or 1914 P-certified MS-67 or, for those who seek a real challenge, an 1899 thru 1906 P-certified at MS-66. I collect only one series; you know what it is without my having to say so. So get to work.  This will separate the collector from the contender.  Good luck!  Guess I'll have to send NV my congratulations for turning the focus here back on me with his absense as well as my congratulations for his refusal to be intimidated by those who aren't even here regularly, if not full-time, and for dancing around those who were hell-bent on humiliating an average Joe who sought his fifteen minutes of fame -- and never hurt a fly in doing so. And if expressing my thoughts freely makes me the next candidate for banishment to Bogeyland, so be it.

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Well, perhaps when you pay for the bandwidth and host your own chat boards, you get to make those decisions.  However, since this particular chat board, hosted and paid for by NGC, deemed him ban-worthy, that's all that really matters.  And if you don't agree with it, or like it, there are plenty of other chat rooms you can visit and delight with your prose.  So there's that.  

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1 hour ago, Quintus Arrius said:

You're kidding me.  He was already out the door! He was leaving voluntarily!  He was here such a short time, serious collectors like Goldfinger engaged in productive pursuits, didn't even get a chance to know him.   Maulemaule mauled me and Alex fr PA sicced one of his ferocious dogs on me, re-breaking my broken leg just for sticking up for him. All the naysayers had to do was simply turn the page like many of them do now.  Get a load of this: they were pissed because he failed to substantiate the admittedly outlandish claims he made for which he was denounced as a liar.  Big deal!  He was just blowing off steam and was barely here a week. I don't recall anyone demanding to see documentary proof of my existence. If you were to go to a cop and complain Quintus Arrius did such-and-such, you'd get a blank stare.  It's only a user-name, get it? The only time it has appeared in print was when it was engraved on a plague given to me by PCGS for having, among other things, the "Best French Set" this year. Like it or not, I made #1 on two lists: Current and All-Time.  Mission accomplished. (And I'm not even thru yet.)

There is a long-time member here who has made his dislike for me so intense that when I offered to buy a coin he posted, at what I thought was clearly an extra-exorbitant price, intentionally, to overcome his resistance to me, instead of saying, No, he shot back:  "You wouldn't want it.  It's counterfeit." Did I raise a hue and cry about it?  As Curley of The Three Stooges would famously say, "Soytenlee knot!" 

The NV guy was totally harmless.  Never sold anyone snake oil. Never even tried to get one over on anyone.  Plenty of people have committed worse crimes. He was a dealer.  Has no dealer ever exaggerated, manipulated, mis-led, or fleeced you?  This was a self-moderating episode. I found him to be No worse than any other poster on-line.  Is anyone out a cent because of his insistence another TPGS cheated him? He wasn't out to get anybody here. No one was obligated to pay heed to him.  Whatever happened to leaving someone to their own devices or simply ignoring him?  It takes two to tango, right?  I don't even know why I even bother with this anymore.

If anyone here wants to make himself useful, give me a lead on someone, anyone, who has for sale a 1910, 1913 or 1914 P-certified MS-67 or, for those who seek a real challenge, an 1899 thru 1906 P-certified at MS-66. I collect only one series; you know what it is without my having to say so. So get to work.  This will separate the collector from the contender.  Good luck!  Guess I'll have to send NV my congratulations for turning the focus here back on me with his absense as well as my congratulations for his refusal to be intimidated by those who aren't even here regularly, if not full-time, and for dancing around those who were hell-bent on humiliating an average Joe who sought his fifteen minutes of fame -- and never hurt a fly in doing so. And if expressing my thoughts freely makes me the next candidate for banishment to Bogeyland, so be it.

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Translation = "Just ignore him".  Is that correct?

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2 hours ago, Morpheus1967 said:

Well, perhaps when you pay for the bandwidth and host your own chat boards, you get to make those decisions.  However, since this particular chat board, hosted and paid for by NGC, deemed him ban-worthy, that's all that really matters.  And if you don't agree with it, or like it, there are plenty of other chat rooms you can visit and delight with your prose.  So there's that.  

Just a moment there, Keanu Reeves.  Were there no other threads available for your civil contemplation and edification, or has NGC -- PAID FOR BY ITS MEMBERS -- suddenly become a channel with a take it or leave it single thread choice?  None of the "serious" collectors even heard of him!  What happened to free speech and the Guidelines which state plainly, you may be exposed to offensive material?

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2 hours ago, Oldhoopster said:

Translation = "Just ignore him".  Is that correct?

Oui, Oldhoopster, oui.

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19 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Just a moment there, Keanu Reeves.  Were there no other threads available for your civil contemplation and edification, or has NGC -- PAID FOR BY ITS MEMBERS -- suddenly become a channel with a take it or leave it single thread choice?  None of the "serious" collectors even heard of him!  What happened to free speech and the Guidelines which state plainly, you may be exposed to offensive material?

You assume my username refers to The Matrix?  Why not Morpheus, God of Dreams?  Tsk-tsk QA.

As for free speech and the guidelines, here is an excerpt directly from the guidelines, emphasis mine, which I feel pertain to the accusatory statements he made:

You explicitly agree, in using this web site or any service provided, that you shall not:

(a) provide any Content or perform any conduct that may be unlawful, illegal, threatening, harmful, abusive, harassing, stalking, tortuous, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, obscene, offensive, objectionable, pornographic, designed to or does interfere or interrupt this web site or any service provided, infected with a virus or other destructive or deleterious programming routine, give rise to civil or criminal liability, or which may violate an applicable local, national or international law;

  

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1 minute ago, Morpheus1967 said:

You assume my username refers to The Matrix?  Why not Morpheus, God of Dreams?  Tsk-tsk QA.

As for free speech and the guidelines, here is an excerpt directly from the guidelines, emphasis mine, which I feel pertain to the accusatory statements he made:

You explicitly agree, in using this web site or any service provided, that you shall not:

(a) provide any Content or perform any conduct that may be unlawful, illegal, threatening, harmful, abusive, harassing, stalking, tortuous, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, obscene, offensive, objectionable, pornographic, designed to or does interfere or interrupt this web site or any service provided, infected with a virus or other destructive or deleterious programming routine, give rise to civil or criminal liability, or which may violate an applicable local, national or international law;

  

You've gone thru a-a-a-l-l-l this, to respond to me?  Did you get to the part where it says: "....this web site...."

NV directed his ire to the TPGS clearly referenced in the title of his post, trying, unsuccessfully, to muster support for his position. If you had things your way, would you've been happier if he shared a cell with Harvey Weinstein or Sheldon Silver?

As far as I am concerned, against your unanimous collective advice, you fed, and continued to f the troll, throwing the baby out with the bath water, effectively derailing his thread and disrupting any semblance of routine programming.

Congratulations!  Now we can all sleep better at 🌙.

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On 25 March 2004 gmarguli said:  I believe it still holds true today.

NGC is slightly looser above MS65, but I believe that is a good thing. With PCGS you have a grade distribution like this:

 

MS66: 131

MS67: 52

MS68: 0

 

With NGC it is frequently:

MS66: 127

MS67: 43

MS68: 7

 

Some people point to this as NCG being looser or PCGS be more conservative. I believe it shows that NGC is being more accurate in its grading. With PCGS they have lumped a bunch of coins into one top grade. Perhaps all those coins do technically grade MS67. However, the marketplace values the higher quality examples more than the lower quality examples. With PCGS you have to take the dealers word or know how to grade them. With NGC they have put the top few "possibly technically MS67", yet superb for the grade coins into a higher grade slab to separate them from the rest. Basically, they have helped rank the quality of the coins. PCGS has taken MS66.8-to-MS68.2 coins and put them in MS67 slabs. NGC has taken the MS67.8+ coins and put them in MS68 slabs.

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30 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

You've gone thru a-a-a-l-l-l this, to respond to me?  Did you get to the part where it says: "....this web site...."

NV directed his ire to the TPGS clearly referenced in the title of his post, trying, unsuccessfully, to muster support for his position. If you had things your way, would you've been happier if he shared a cell with Harvey Weinstein or Sheldon Silver?

As far as I am concerned, against your unanimous collective advice, you fed, and continued to f the troll, throwing the baby out with the bath water, effectively derailing his thread and disrupting any semblance of routine programming.

Congratulations!  Now we can all sleep better at 🌙.

What a bunch of mumbo jumbo.  Sometimes, less is more. 

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7 hours ago, Alex in PA. said:

On 25 March 2004 gmarguli said:  I believe it still holds true today.

NGC is slightly looser above MS65, but I believe that is a good thing. With PCGS you have a grade distribution like this:

 

MS66: 131

MS67: 52

MS68: 0

 

With NGC it is frequently:

MS66: 127

MS67: 43

MS68: 7

 

Alex, if memory serves, you've broached this subject before, I studied it at length and concluded you are right. Unconditionally.

In practical terms what this means is though I may be #1 at PCGS in Roosters, the shot in the dark now occupying #3 at NGC, a fledgling EF-2 with tremendous potential, strategy and patience, has already reduced my perceived EF-5 strength to little more than a has-been tropical storm. The two things I know (which he may suspect before forging on, or giving up having set his sights high is it will take time and a lot of money. 

The reinforced wall erected at the fork in the road leading off to MS-68, and beyond (wishful thinking to PCGS Set Registrants of French 20-franc gold roosters) is real but unpublicized. NGC has awarded a (+) plus sign to a 1913 MS67 but not one of the millions minted has earned an MS67 grade in the same year, an odd anomaly.

You are right on point with your facts, Alex.

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19 hours ago, VKurtB said:

A 63 is a nice 1921 Morgan. There are sooooo many crummy ones. 

If a 1921 Morgan graded 63 is nice, you're going to love the 2021 I send you. Hot off the press using new machinery, it ought to rate a 66 or 67 in your experienced eye.

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3 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

You've gone thru a-a-a-l-l-l this, to respond to me?  Did you get to the part where it says: "....this web site...."

NV directed his ire to the TPGS clearly referenced in the title of his post, trying, unsuccessfully, to muster support for his position. If you had things your way, would you've been happier if he shared a cell with Harvey Weinstein or Sheldon Silver?

As far as I am concerned, against your unanimous collective advice, you fed, and continued to f the troll, throwing the baby out with the bath water, effectively derailing his thread and disrupting any semblance of routine programming.

Congratulations!  Now we can all sleep better at 🌙.

wow, you have lost your perception of reality.  i think you need a vacation or something to help you relax.  P.S.  I apologize in advance for being the dumbest member of this group because i can honestly say i havent understood one of your rambling intellectual posts in the past three months.  i guess i should have went to college instead of the military and i would be able to understand the true brilliant meaning of your posts.  my bad.

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4 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

You are right on point with your facts, Alex

Thank you very much.  I personally have one rule that I have lived by for many years.  If the coin is Silver I send it to PCGS.  If the coin is Gold I send it to NGC.  This is my opinion and only my opinion.  I can find no fault in our Host's treatment of the Gold coins i have sent them.  I am also a fan of NCS Conservation Services as I had three CC Gold $20 conserved by them.  All came back looking great and one, an 1875, bumped up a grade.  One day you will have to explain this Rooster fascination and just what they are.  

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1 hour ago, Alex in PA. said:

One day you will have to explain this Rooster fascination and just what they are.  

I am an innocent bystander.  After hip re-replacement surgery, I was laid up, took my 5 mg. oxycodone prescription for 20 days, spent time investigating the web, laid eyes on a Rooster, bought one, bought another, discovered there were only 16 in the series and convinced myself I could complete the entire collection in 90 days.

In the interim, things got complicated:  the term UNC and BU were subjective. I started buying encapsulated coins but soon realized the first half of the series, called originals, dwelled mainly in Europe, the dominion of PCGS.  The second half, referred to as re-strikes, though plentiful in the U.S., was dominated by NGC. 

I joined both TPGS but soon realized if I chose to develop my NGC holdings I would spend a lot of time and money on [unnecessary) cross-grading (which backfired recently when I tried to cross a $1300 MS-67 from one service to another.)

My collection is complete as far as PCGS is concerned (issuing me a plaque that read "Best French Set - 2020,") but that is tentative and subject to future submissions from anonymous sources who hold the coins outside of the sight of Set Registries. That may take days, weeks, months or years. My latest acquisition, which was due in New York today, took over two years of daily digging to find.  🐓 

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10 hours ago, Oldhoopster said:

So are you saying that if I decide to collect Roosters, I can get a job on the Weather Channel as a tornado expert? 

Still trying to figure out how Roosters relate to forks and walls, but when it comes to me, I'll offer a translation to for the rest of the great unwashed masses that populate this site

I'm glad you're here to keep everybody from being confused.  

This may come as somewhat of a surprise to you but I appreciate -- and have continued to appreciate your razor sharp wit presented neutrally with the aim of distilling my thoughts to a few simple palatable, substantive words. Others may be amused, but the point you've taken is true. I am verbose.

Canaries in mines are useful tools.  Roosters in numismatic circles serve to illustrate one purpose; collecting the earlier ones in higher Mint State grades is difficult and you will inevitably have to deal with the French and Germans -- and pay higher-prices for the privilege of sending bank wires which must then be converted to euros while exercising patience waiting for one to show up on your doorstep.

My analogy deerves an apology. Weather forecasting has nothinh to do with the collection of Roosters.  I set my sights high when superb examples, with none higher appear -- and acquire what I can at exorbitant parties parts of which are apparently used to bribe anonymous owners. In one instance, the buyer was on vacation and I wired her funds to assure her of my continued interest. (It could have been a ploy engaged in to determine how serious I was in obtaining them. I took the chance and all three difficult encapsulated dates, though seized by Customs and released after paying a small fee (ransom) were delivered immediately.

Mine was quite an undertaking which would have come to naught had I simply rejected the order, but I persevered and moved on.  Roughly half my coins were acquired thru uninformed sellers who did not quite know what they had.  One was from a woman living in Serbia who sold what turned out to be a key grade, 2/0, at a price barely exceeding melt. I wired the requested funds, she delivered the goods free of shipping charges which turned out to be via sea mail by a freighter.

Having stopped out of the hobby shortly after once common collectible silver was withdrawn from circulation, my education in Roosters 🐓 began with modest intentions and blossomed into a severe storm conducted on many fronts, as detailed elsewhere. I moved rapidly from raw, loose coins which graded at various stages of Mint State to Set Registries, and after tiring of time-consuming upgrades, particularly incrementally with half (+).grades, chose to go straight to the top which I decided.is where I was going to end up eventually. I toyed with the idea of developing a second set comprised of coins which had since been upgraded but the sudden emergence of a contender who knocked out NGC's re-strike line in one shot got me to thinking this guy is a heavy-hitter who hid his motives hoping to seize Best Rooster collection by December 2020. I drew the analogy of a tropical depression, nothing to get excited about, until he appeared with half a dozen of the top grades [MS-67] and effectively seized the #3 Ranking at NGC.

My own compilation is "complete" but it is not all comprised of the top grades which exist but do not appear in any TPGS' Set Registry.

My strategy now is to initiate likely contacts, sit back, watch, wait and be prepared to move at a moment's notice. Every time I slept on a coin overnite, it was sold by morning due primarily to the different time zones.

I appreciate your input and enjoy seeing things from your perspective immensely!  All of your remarks ring true.  And yes, I am unnecessarily long-winded.  :)

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On 5/10/2021 at 4:24 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

If a 1921 Morgan graded 63 is nice, you're going to love the 2021 I send you. Hot off the press using new machinery, it ought to rate a 66 or 67 in your experienced eye.

I expect most of them to make MS69 as a minimum. 70’s will likely abound. 

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On 5/11/2021 at 5:19 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

 

 

This may come as somewhat of a surprise to you but I appreciate -- and have continued to appreciate your razor sharp wit presented neutrally with the aim of distilling my thoughts to a few simple palatable, substantive words. Others may be amused, but the point you've taken is true. I am verbose.

Canaries in mines are useful tools.  Roosters in numismatic circles serve to illustrate one purpose; collecting the earlier ones in higher Mint State grades is difficult and you will inevitably have to deal with the French and Germans -- and pay higher-prices for the privilege of sending bank wires which must then be converted to euros while exercising patience waiting for one to show up on your doorstep.

My analogy deerves an apology. Weather forecasting has nothinh to do with the collection of Roosters.  I set my sights high when superb examples, with none higher appear -- and acquire what I can at exorbitant parties parts of which are apparently used to bribe anonymous owners. In one instance, the buyer was on vacation and I wired her funds to assure her of my continued interest. (It could have been a ploy engaged in to determine how serious I was in obtaining them. I took the chance and all three difficult encapsulated dates, though seized by Customs and released after paying a small fee (ransom) were delivered immediately.

Mine was quite an undertaking which would have come to naught had I simply rejected the order, but I persevered and moved on.  Roughly half my coins were acquired thru uninformed sellers who did not quite know what they had.  One was from a woman living in Serbia who sold what turned out to be a key grade, 2/0, at a price barely exceeding melt. I wired the requested funds, she delivered the goods free of shipping charges which turned out to be via sea mail by a freighter.

Having stopped out of the hobby shortly after once common collectible silver was withdrawn from circulation, my education in Roosters 🐓 began with modest intentions and blossomed into a severe storm conducted on many fronts, as detailed elsewhere. I moved rapidly from raw, loose coins which graded at various stages of Mint State to Set Registries, and after tiring of time-consuming upgrades, particularly incrementally with half (+).grades, chose to go straight to the top which I decided.is where I was going to end up eventually. I toyed with the idea of developing a second set comprised of coins which had since been upgraded but the sudden emergence of a contender who knocked out NGC's re-strike line in one shot got me to thinking this guy is a heavy-hitter who hid his motives hoping to seize Best Rooster collection by December 2020. I drew the analogy of a tropical depression, nothing to get excited about, until he appeared with half a dozen of the top grades [MS-67] and effectively seized the #3 Ranking at NGC.

My own compilation is "complete" but it is not all comprised of the top grades which exist but do not appear in any TPGS' Set Registry.

My strategy now is to initiate likely contacts, sit back, watch, wait and be prepared to move at a moment's notice. Every time I slept on a coin overnite, it was sold by morning due primarily to the different time zones.

I appreciate your input and enjoy seeing things from your perspective immensely!  All of your remarks ring true.  And yes, I am unnecessarily long-winded.  :)

Nobody appreciates verbosity like I do. Those who have a problem with it can go pound sand. 

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4 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

Nobody appreciates verbosity like I do. Those who have a problem with it can go pound sand. 

About three months ago, a New York Times columnist wrote a piece criticizing the rationale behind the ouster of another Times reporter (having to do with his propriety in quoting someone who used the so-called N-word) prompting the Times to refuse to publish it.

The N.Y. Post picked up on it, and published it in full, excerpts of which included the following:

"Do any of us want to live in a world, or work in a field, where intent is categorically ruled out as a mitigating factor?  I hope not.

"That ought to go in journalism as much, if not more, than in any other profession.  What is it that journalists do, except try to perceive intent, examine motive, furnish context, explore nuance, explain varying shades of meaning, forgive fallibility, make allowances for irony and humor, slow the rush to judgment (and therefore outrage), and preserve vital intellectual distinctions?

There is an elementary difference between citing a word for the purpose of knowledge and understanding and using the same word for the purpose of insult and harm."

[I couldn't have said it better myself.]  👏

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

About three months ago, a New York Times columnist wrote a piece criticizing the rationale behind the ouster of another Times reporter (having to do with his propriety in quoting someone who used the so-called N-word) prompting the Times to refuse to publish it.

The N.Y. Post picked up on it, and published it in full, excerpts of which included the following:

"Do any of us want to live in a world, or work in a field, where intent is categorically ruled out as a mitigating factor?  I hope not.

"That ought to go in journalism as much, if not more, than in any other profession.  What is it that journalists do, except try to perceive intent, examine motive, furnish context, explore nuance, explain varying shades of meaning, forgive fallibility, make allowances for irony and humor, slow the rush to judgment (and therefore outrage), and preserve vital intellectual distinctions?

There is an elementary difference between citing a word for the purpose of knowledge and understanding and using the same word for the purpose of insult and harm."

[I couldn't have said it better myself.]  👏

 

 

One of my favorite books is one on strict punctuation rules entitled “Eats, Shoots, and Leaves”.

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