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brg5658

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While that may well be a coin with a Condor on it, I assure you it is not a Conder token.

 

Conder tokens are only from Great Britain and not from Chile.

 

As seen here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conder_token

 

 

Kim, great article you linked to there! ;) I have expanded the Wiki article from 2 paragraphs about 1.5 months ago to its current state. It's still a work in progress, but it's far more complete than it was. Recognize any of the pictures there also? :D

 

-Brandon

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HiHoAudio

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Brandon, I picked the link because it was excellent, including the photos. GOOD JOB! (Great idea including the link to the CTTC.)

 

I still misspell Conder as Condor sometimes, and English is not my second language.

 

I will be posting photos of a MS65 Pidcock's farthing (DH-1072) soon. I bought it from a forum member and it is just amazing.

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Conder101

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That went CHEAP! Did he have it on a BIN or something? I don't see a list of bids.

 

Looked at his completed listings and he apparently had two copies that he had been unsuccessful at selling at auction so he finally sold them with BINs.

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Ever wonder where the Dance in the sport of Boxing originated from hm

 

1789 Isaac Perrins, Warwickshire D&H-13, 1 Penny

 

This large 34mm diameter copper token/medal was struck to promote the upcoming fight between Perrins and Johnson. It's a tough to locate D&H variety issue free in XF condition and above as most seen are holed for suspension, heavily scratched, or environmentally damaged.

 

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Isaac Perrins:

 

Born in 1751 was an English bareknuckle prizefighter, engineer, and a man reputed to possess prodigious strength but a mild manner. He fought and lost one of the most notorious boxing matches of the era which was a physically mismatched contest against the English Champion Tom Johnson.

 

During the period when he was prizefighting Perrins worked for Matthew Boulton and James Watt manufacturers of steam engines at their Soho Foundry in Birmingham. He also traveled around the country and acted as an informant on people who were thought to have breached his employer's patents. In the later years of his life he also ran a public house in Manchester and undertook engineering work on his own account. He was appointed to lead the Manchester fire brigade in 1799 and died a year later in the performance of his duties.

 

Bareknuckle fighting was particularly popular during Perrins lifetime. Fights ran the risk of being classified as disorderly assemblies but in practice the authorities were concerned mainly about the number of criminals congregating there as the patronage of the aristocracy included royal princes and dukes and other wealthy people.

 

Isaac Perrins fighting Thomas Johnson in 1789:

 

London was the premier center for boxing because the aristocratic supporters of the sport. Birmingham was often portrayed as second only to London for the sport and in 1789 there were a series of challenges issued by fighters from the Birmingham area to opponents based around London. These challenges were intended to demonstrate the level of organization and confidence among the Birmingham boxers and their supporters. Three of these challenges were accepted, including that from Perrins to Tom Johnson. Perrins had already issued a general challenge offering to fight any man in England having already beaten all challengers in the counties around Birmingham.

 

The fight took place on 22 October 1789 and was billed as a battle between Birmingham and London as well as for the English Championship. The two men were around the same age but physically very different. Perrins stood 6' 2" tall and weighed 238 pounds while Johnson was 5' 10" and weighed 196 pounds. It was claimed that Perrins had lifted 896 pounds of iron with ease. The physical mismatch was later described as a fight between Hercules in the form of Perrins and Johnson as a Boy.

 

The first five minutes of competition saw neither man strike a blow and then when Perrins tried to make contact and Johnson dodged Perrins in return. Although Perrins held the upper hand in the first few rounds, Johnson then began to dance around the ring forcing Perrins to follow in order to make a fight of it. This shifting confused Perrins because the custom at the time was for the fighters to stand still and hit each other but the rules for this particular fight did not prevent it. Nor did they specify what should happen if a contestant fell to the ground which is what Johnson did in order to avoid being hit. Before long both fighters showed signs of their opponent's attacks with first Perrins and then Johnson suffering cut eyes and then further damage to their faces and by the fight's end Perrins head had scarce traces left of a human being. The fight lasted 62 rounds which took a total of 75 minutes to complete until Perrins became totally exhausted.

 

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Hard Times

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Broadie,

I am counting two Conders you have now - SLOW DOWN or you might just have to sell all of those HTT's, but if you do, of course send 'em my way. :roflmao:

 

Best, HT

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Conder101

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The Perrins and Johnson tokens for this fight come in both copper and white metal Warwickshire 12 and 13.). I have tried to acquire then several times over the years ( they do come on the market fairly frequently) but so far, according to my list, they have managed to elude me. Odd, I thought I had one of them in white metal.

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It only took 7 years and 120 submissions to obtain a "RD" designation from NGC for a Conder token. I've mounted it on my wall so I can watch it turn red/brown.

 

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brg5658

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A new token from Bill McKivor's most recent list. This particular issue comes with more rough surfaces than would be seen on the higher quality SOHO products. This is a more difficult to find design, with a clear attraction for me as it has a grand total of 4 horses :) It was listed as UNC RB, with more red on the reverse than the obverse. It has a few non-distracting spots, and an overall strong strike with just a bit of weakness in the design at the middle and rear horsemen on the reverse. The reverse text "P.A. ET. F" stands for "pro aris et focis", translated (not literally) as "for God and country". Overall I'm very happy with this addition.

 

-Brandon

 

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HiHoAudio

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I also sent a note to the moderators. Looks like they cleaned it up! (thumbs u

 

Darn, I'm always late to the party......

 

Unless you are a fan of broken English and identity theft you missed very little.

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I don't know much about them. Much less than the extremely limited knowledge I have with other US Coins.

 

I sent Conder101 a picture of one the other day and asked I could get some historical lessons from it but I have yet to hear a word.

 

So...

 

 

 

Anyone know anything of this? I have noticed that there seems to be two different styles and was curious if that was because one was fake or if they just made the different designs.

 

Can anyone enlighten me please?

 

Isac_Newton_Farthing_1793_a2.png

 

 

 

I have the other design coming in a few days and will tke pictures of that as well but it is probably not necessary.

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CyberspaceVoid

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It appears to be a Conder token catalogued in Dalton and Hammer as Middlesex #1159, so it is a British and not a colonial coin (although they might have traveled). It was issued for general circulation and the engraver was most likely Thomas Wyon of Birmingham.

 

Issac Newton appears on several of these tokens, and yes, various versions exist. This one is listed as "common" but that just means that more than 200 are thought to exist.

 

Hope it helps.

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