Lem E

What do you see wrong with these pictures?

On 8/14/2022 at 3:34 PM, Ohnoimbroke said:

The funny thing is on the NGC price guide it says $3.50 . As I look up obverse struck thru capped die on Google every single coin says price not available . But my coin is . I don't understand 

The NGC price guide value of $3.50 is for a standard MS62 quarter. Generally errors are not given a value since they are one off coins and there is no real “guide” to go by. 

On 8/14/2022 at 2:15 PM, Ohnoimbroke said:

Anyone else notice they forgot to put the D on the end of capped?

Wasn’t impressed with Genos. Didn’t get a chance to try Pats, but Jims was really good.

On 8/12/2022 at 9:29 PM, EagleRJO said:

I would still contact whoever certified that coin, no matter how long ago it was as things do happen where you sometimes much later realize there may have been a mistake.  Prolly worth the time of sending the TPG an email with good pics, and maybe sending it in.  But that's just my thoughts and 2 (Indian Head) nickels. 

I could send it to them and it would be corrected. I have no doubt about that. The fact is that it is still going to be the wrong coin. I thought I had a very tough slot filled. It is a very nice coin. Just the wrong reverse. I will probably send it to be fixed one of these days and then maybe they can correct the population numbers as well. 

On 8/12/2022 at 8:46 PM, EagleRJO said:

I hear you Lem, I have had a mixed experience with raw coins, and even some slabbed ones, from eBay with some of both types ending up being returned.  Its why I look for reputable sellers with an unconditional 7-day/30-day return policy so I can actually get the coin/slab in hand and simply return it if not what was expected.

Ouch, I would be pretty upset by that.  Just curious, did you get your money back?  And don't the TPGs have a guarantee on their labels?

 

Aside from a few coins from another website, my whole collection has been bought from ebay. I have a lot of reputable sellers I deal with and it has worked out well for the most part. Everything is slabbed though. I have bought some raw stuff from ebay, but I knew that I wasn’t looking for coins to submit. They were basically purchased to simply see the coin in hand. I am still fairly new to the hobby and haven’t  seen or been around coins as much as a lot of the members here. I don’t have a great story of coin collecting as a kid or anything like that. As for the other question, no I didn't get my money back because I didn’t notice what I even had before it was much too late to send it back. I took the info on the label for granted. That’s on me. Lesson learned.

On 8/12/2022 at 7:34 PM, EagleRJO said:

@Lem EI think I recently saw a raw 1939-S Rev 40 5C claimed to be Unc or BU I think on eBay if you are even considering eBay which can be dicey for raws. Maybe they have an unconditional return policy and you can check it out and return if not what you expected.

Thanks. I appreciate the heads up. I don’t trust anything raw on ebay. If I went the raw route I would definitely have to see the coin in hand and under a loupe. Especially when it comes to differentiating the 2 reverse types. I have seen several people claim to have one reverse and it is the other. I was burned by a mislabeled slabbed coin that said it was a 39P REV of 38 (pop 2/1) and it turned out to be a REV of 40 coin which is much more common. So that pop of 2 is actually a pop of 1 and the other isn’t correct. Makes me wonder if any of them are correct. That was an expensive lesson and that’s when I became well versed in telling the reverses apart.

On 8/12/2022 at 6:36 PM, Simple Collector said:

I have a set of supposed submission numbers for this hoard. I do not recall where I got them and they may or may not be correct.  I have 291239, 291240, 291279, 271281, 207335 and 207281. Based on the dash numbers, I have seen coins that are as high as 046 against one submission number. I am also not sure if it was ever determined how many submitters there may have been.

The second coin I posted has a sub# of 207281. I thought I had seen that # and apparently you did too. I’m going to have to assume it is in a gen 9 or a little higher holder. It’s just a little different. I’ll have to find that Conder thread again.

On 8/12/2022 at 3:16 PM, VKurtB said:

All is understood. All is good. What amazes me is that the 39-S / R of 40 has evaded a collector as astute as Lem. I stand aghast. It has sent me back into my loose leaf notebooks to try to ascertain under what circumstances I got mine. Turns out it was an old school coin auction in the mid-1990’s held in a small town in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. (Home of Pennsylvania Dutch brand egg noodles and the farm scenes in the Harrison Ford / Kelly McGillis movie Witness.) I’d bet a lot that I’ll see another next week at Rosemont, IL. I won’t be cowering under my sheets and behind a mask in fear of a “bad cold”. I’ll drive the 1400 miles and meet, greet, and handshake everybody. Anyone who tries to offer me a mask will be shown “the full moon”. 

I believe I have limited myself a bit with only looking for NGC graded examples. My set is all NGC and with me being the consistency weirdo that I am, that’s what I look for. The pops are fairly low for the 39Rev40. 
 

                66       66+     67

5 FS        9         2         3

6 FS        5         0         1

There are always more submissions and higher pops ATS and they may not be quite as scarce, but like I said I’m looking for an NGC example and there are not many to chose from. If I can find a raw example and submit myself I will if that opportunity presents itself. Worst case scenario is find a PCGS example and do a crack out and resubmission but that would be extremely costly to do. I hope to fill that slot along with a few others that have been elusive. But hey, the fun is in the hunt right?

On 8/12/2022 at 5:24 PM, VKurtB said:

Oh boy, if you suggest to Lehigh that the App hoard nickels are AT, he may have an aneurism right there at his screen. 

That is strictly my opinion. I have seen it debated back and forth. I have no concrete evidence on any of this other than what I have actually seen with the coins I own. 

This is the other coin that I think may be associated with this hoard. Sorry I don't have a slab shot at the moment. Looks a lot like the other one though don’t you think?

On 8/12/2022 at 3:23 PM, erwindoc said:

I thought I remembered reading somewhere that lots of the coins were determined to be AT'd.  I cant recall where I saw it though.  

I have to say for as beautiful as my example is in hand, I am in the AT camp. I have seen and own quite a few toned nickels and these just have a look like no other. Mine is quite tame compared to a lot of other App coins I have seen. I have another App coin that I believe is from a later submission. Different holder and no T designation, but it has the same type of toning and did receive a star desg. The 2 coins I have look very similar. At one point in searching for info on this hoard I came across another set of submission #s that are supposed to be connected and my coin had that #. If it is or isn’t an actual App coin I can’t say for certain. It is actually quite difficult to find much info on these. Most of it comes from coin forum threads.

On 8/12/2022 at 4:25 PM, Simple Collector said:

I find these interesting, but I am not sure how to determine the value.

I’m not sure how these are valued either, but I would have to assume that the more wild the toning gets, the higher the price goes. Especially if they are in the original slab and of course a higher grade. I’m not really sure how many of these coins there are. I think they are not limited to war nickels either. I have seen a 50D that was claimed to be from this hoard and it had a submission # that lines up.

Thanks I appreciate it very much. He is not on here too much anymore, but @lehigh96 knows more about these coins than anyone else I know. Actually, he is the person I bought my example from and he has or had many of these coins at one time or another. I believe he has one for sale right now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175283900406?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4CzNv2-YTIG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=j9LjZZhwTEm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

If I were to build a war nickel set, I would go for a minimum grade of 67 5FS coins. It can be done for a reasonable amount. The tougher date/higher $ coins will be the 42S and the 45 P & S coins. The 43/2 will be a bit of a different story if you so choose to include this in your set. NGCs basic war nickel set requires this coin for completion. I just watched a NGC 1943/2 67 5FS coin (pop of 4) sell on GC a few weeks ago for a little over $3K. You may have to lower your standards for this slot. I know you have at least one pretty high grade war nickel already right? Thats a good start. Whatever you choose to do I wish you the best of luck and hope to see some nice nickels from you.

On 8/11/2022 at 4:32 PM, The Neophyte Numismatist said:

Thanks gang.

@VKurtB I could go after the whole thing... but that's A LOT of coins.  I don't want to neglect my mains (Half Cents and Type).  My other side project was Mercury Proof Dimes, but I am almost complete there, so looking for my next side piece.  I like the fact that there are no "stoppers" in this set, and there are some very cool varieties.  And while I am not a coin investor or speculator, I think FS Jeffersons have some room to run.

@J P Mashoke and @Lem E I am not even trying to step into the ring with you two.  Your belts are safe.  I was thinking about the War Nickels (and probably still a good starting point for me), but I have a few earlier Jeff proofs and wanted to tie them in.

@Lem E What was the Jefferson book you posted a few months back? It was a white paperback book, with steps on it.  I think you said it was your favorite one.  Was it the Jefferson Nickel Analyst (I think that was it - and time for me to buy a book)?

@Mr.Bill347 Thanks for the response, but I want you to know that your vote counts as much as any other.  Rest assured that I will never take the title from anyone, so I welcome from everyone.

Yes the book is The Jefferson Nickel Analyst by Bernard A. Nagengast. This really is THE reference book for Nickel collectors and anyone who collects early Jeffs should know who he is and read this book. Light blue cover with AMAZING cover art.  These are the 3 reference books I have. The Red Book guide is also very good. If you read the Red Book guide you will notice very quickly that Nagengast is referenced quite a bit. The Doubled Die book I don’t use much because varieties and errors are not really my thing. However, it is an excellent book with tons of varieties listed. If you are into Jeffs with varieties, I recommend collecting early proofs. 

On 8/11/2022 at 4:37 PM, Coinbuf said:

I vote for 38 through 45.

I thought about this as well. You would pretty much get the best of the best for early nickels and would include the entire war nickel set. 

On 8/11/2022 at 3:12 PM, J P Mashoke said:

I started with the WWII silver set 42 to 45. Thanks Bill but Lem is the champion when it comes to Nickels

 Champion not so much, but I do like me some nickels.