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I have twice asked the following question in the Ask NGC section and neither time has been approved by a moderator. It just sits there in red with a green exclamation mark (see picture). I posted the first time, waited a week with no moderator approval, and assumed it was because I used the link to the item for sale. Then Wednesday morning I posted the following removing the link and just putting the information and nothing. I see questions posted after mine approved and visible. Am I off base in asking this? Am I breaking some rule I am not aware of? Here is the post including the pictures I included: I have been looking for a high grade Alabama State Fund So Called Dollar and ran across this listing. In the listing the seller is adamant that this is a 1963 re-strike. Upon some research it does appear there was a series of re-strikes, using the the original dies, in the early 60s. I was surprised that this was not designated in any way on the NGC label/cert. Does NGC delineate between original and re-strike, and if so is this original or a re-strike missing the designation? Below is the text of the listing. For Sale: $425.00 · NGC MS 65 Reference HK-402 SH 18-12.1 ABZ Date 1915 Grade NGC MS 654912431-003 Price $425.00 Item # 1192 Metal Antiqued Bronze Near TOP POP, only 1 certified finer in 66. Alabama State Fund Dollar from the 1915 Panama – Pacific International Exposition. Plate Medal in Pacific Coast Expositions book. A very popular piece with a price of $137.50 in the Hibler and Kappen book published in 1963. Struck in Antiqued Bronze. 1963 restrike.

A few top of mind 1. Financially not worth grading unless the coin is worth say $150 or more. Sentimental reasons excluded. 2. Never assume someone selling a coin is telling you the truth. Either purposefully or out of lack of knowledge coins may be cleaned, counterfeit, etc.. 3. never trust grades other than from the reputable TPGs (NGC, PCGS, ANACS). If it’s another grading company or a raw coin someone graded themselves do your own homework. It’s your responsibility to verify. And even graded coins some are under/over graded. Know before you buy.

Welcome to the forum. As you said it’s hard to see anything clearly in the pictures. However it appears it’s just circulation damage. There isn’t a DDO for that date so that’s really all it could be. It’s common for the raised areas to take hits and get distorted. If you can get sharper images people will give you much more info.

That’s on the reverse. I didn’t point it out

I’m sure there is nothing there to see other than what is suggested. I can’t imagine how anything could have happened during minting. I more posted because it made me feel what many newbies feel. Logically it makes no sense but darned if you can’t convince yourself it’s there.

I missed that you think the 79 is a repunched mint mark. There is one RPM for that date. It’s not recognized by NGC and it’s minor. You can look at the attached link to see if it matches yours. Nothing can be seen from that photo. http://www.varietyvista.com/02b LC RPMs Vol 2/1979DRPM001.htm

It’s going to be impossible for anyone to see them well enough from your pictures. Even thought the top one says it’s an MS69, I highly doubt it is close to that. PGS isn’t one of the more reputable grading companies, and the ones that are haven’t graded any that high. So people will need to see it more closely. Assuming it graded a MS66, which is the highest PCGS has graded, it’s about $25. The 1979 D, unless it was very high grade isn’t worth much of a numismatic premium. Hard to be sure but the pictures don’t seem to point to it being high mint state.

I found this beat 1985 quarter, and noticed something strange around the date. It looked like an extra 8, but I assumed it was glue or something similar so I soaked it for several hours in acetone and gently rubbed with a q-tip thinking I was seeing things still. Now it’s still there. What is this? Have I contracted pareidolia?

I gotta say I was surprised by your question. You like to argue that there is a conspiracy in the TPGs and a counsel needs to be created to overrule them. It’s hard to argue grading if you don’t know how it works. Not that I am an expert by any means either but I know the concepts. I need one of Alex’s funny emojis to insert here 🤪

Just a lollipop. Sorry. But keep looking!

Me either. Marilyn - welcome to the forum! This is a great forum and members are more than willing to help. It may be a good idea to download the PCGS Cert app on your phone. This will let you scan the barcode on the label and make sure it checks out. It will also pull up additional information for you. Both NGC and PCGS have smartphone apps for this purpose.

The other funny thing when you focus so much on grades is that an MS60 coin is often ugly as sin, but shows no wear. An AU58 on the other hand is often times beautiful has the slightest amount of wear on the high spots. I think a lot of new collectors or the budget conscious ones would benefit from collecting in the AU 55-58 graded coins. They are very good looking coins.

Correct wear starts factoring in at AU and down. As far as the difference in MS grades several things come into play such as strike, marks/blemishes, luster, and eye appeal. Morgan dollars are a great example. Many of them are severely bag marked and grade low MS. As the marks reduce and/or are in less focal areas the grade increases. The ANA grading standards is a good reference book to study on this.

Agreed. The letter size is strange if that is what it is. I was debating the same thing.

I have been looking for a high grade Alabama State Fund So Called Dollar and ran across this listing. In the listing the seller is adamant that this is a 1963 re-strike. Upon some research it does appear there was a series of re-strikes, using the the original dies, in the early 60s. I was surprised that this was not designated in any way on the NGC label/cert. Does NGC delineate between original and re-strike, and if so is this original or a re-strike missing the designation? Below is the text of the listing. For Sale: $425.00 · NGC MS 65 Reference HK-402 SH 18-12.1 ABZ Date 1915 Grade NGC MS 654912431-003 Price $425.00 Item # 1192 Metal Antiqued Bronze Near TOP POP, only 1 certified finer in 66. Alabama State Fund Dollar from the 1915 Panama – Pacific International Exposition. Plate Medal in Pacific Coast Expositions book. A very popular piece with a price of $137.50 in the Hibler and Kappen book published in 1963. Struck in Antiqued Bronze. 1963 restrike.

Does the mint or treasury do anything similar to this today? Meaning storage of previously struck coinage. I never see the mint offering anything older than say the previous year. Of course I don’t buy from the mint to I may not see it.

It almost looks like a grease/debris plug from a letter on the die dislodged and was struck through. I’m 100% speculating and in no way saying that’s what it is. But it is interesting. Especially if it wasn’t done by someone in the garage with a punch or from being compressed against another coin either accidentally or in a vise.

It didn’t leave the mint like that. Post mint damage.

Amazing a thin film of grease can have that much impact. Thanks for the info.

I see this periodically on moderns and have several times started to ask what causes it. Notice the “rough” areas on this quarter. It seems to always be around a raised part of the design. Is this just a severely worn die that doesn’t make the full metal flow in some of the low spots? Something else? I know this isn’t an error just curious as to what causes it for my education. Crappy photos I know but should serve purpose.

Woodward Iron Company Dolomite (Jefferson county) Alabama

I believe it’s just a die break

It looks like it has had a rough life. Just post mint damage.

This is very interesting. I’m trying to piece together the type of dollar each line is referring to. Would it be correct to assume: Bland = Morgan’s 1878-1904 (bland act to Pittman act) Pittman = Morgan 1921’s Were peace dollars included in “storage” or “Pittman”? Or only the specific line titled Peace? I didn’t see where 1921 Peace dollars were mentioned so it is presumably in one of those? It’s hard to imagine the sheer weight and bulk of this many silver dollars in one building.