Alex in PA.

That's why I never sent mine in.

Me neither.  CAC is out there and they aims to stay.  At this point in CAC's history I would call them Lucrative.

Someone who has plenty of time on their  hands put three cents together and put them in a press or vice. It squeezed the imprint from the 2 outside coins into the middle making it look like that. Looks neat and could be saved as a novelty coin but its actually just post mint damage and is worthless. 

There will be disagreements.
Most of those disputes on gold/Saints or small denomination coins ?  The one "discrepancy" that folks say about JA/CAC is that he is much tougher on gold/Saints than other coins.  Of course, the coins are bigger, too.
Not sure if it still is true, but at one time I read that JA/CAC had never stickered a single coin from the Wells Fargo Saint-Gaudens Hoard.

In their first years CAC bought up at least 1 million of their stickered coins.  You do know what they call this in the Stock Market when a person puts out his stock then buys it himself in large quantities to up the price.

I am in the AU camp on the $5 gold indian as well, and while I'm no expert on the counterfeit tells on these nothing is jumping out at me from the photos.   If you do end up sending in both of these please do come back and update this thread with your results, it is always educational to see the results.  

Here's where I agree with you but..........  It is not the ordinary, run of the mill collector that is causing this premium but the coin dealers and CAC itself.  However, CAC has been going for 12 (?) years now and doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon.  Whether you like CAC or not, if you are a coin collector, you will have to learn to live with it.
What @Cat Bath said makes a lot of sense.

NOBODY should enjoy unconditional immunity.  You are only as good as the content of your posts.  If you disagree, speak up.  Post your references to support your point.  If you have documentation and/or data others can make an informed decision to agree or disagree.  
I agree with a lot of what V. Kurt says and respect what he's given back to the hobby, but I have no problem calling him out if I disagree and feel I can support my opinion.
 
 
 

I think Mark is one the right track. However, several places assign provenance to John Sinnock's possessions, but cite no sources. There were several coin collectors among US Mint officers. The one with the most inclusive collection of internal experimental and sandblast proof pieces was Frederick H. Chaffin. He died in June 1936. His coins, which were kept in his personal locker at the Philadelphia Mint, were sold to a coin dealer in NYC. Among the coins were proof peace dollars, sandblast commemorative halves and possibly other pieces made for internal US Mint use. (See Renaissance of American Coinage 1916-1921 for further information.)

A rare find.  Send it to NGC for authentication and encapsulation.

Here's where I agree with you but..........  It is not the ordinary, run of the mill collector that is causing this premium but the coin dealers and CAC itself.  However, CAC has been going for 12 (?) years now and doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon.  Whether you like CAC or not, if you are a coin collector, you will have to learn to live with it.
What @Cat Bath said makes a lot of sense.

Not that it’s dispositive; I frankly don’t know. But the change in ink color from NGC blue to NGC brown is fascinating. I’ve never seen that happen. 

CAC POWER:  The value of the CAC designation -- regardless of whether you like it or hate it -- can't be denied from these prices.  Note how a lower-graded Saint jumps up in price to eclipse a similar or even "half-point" higher Saint:
A 1927 MS65+ sold for $3,375 (w/bp). A 1927 MS65 sold for $2,925. A 1927 NGC MS65 CAC sold for $3,724 A 1925 NGC MS66+ sold for $7,200. A 1925 MS66 CAC for for $8,269. A 1924 NGC MS67 for $11,812 While some of the coins were in NGC slabs (albeit older ones that might be more conservatively graded), note that the CAC designation seems to drive the price differential, especially when there's a big price jump to the next grade.  The 1927 MS65 NGC CAC sells for a nice premium to the MS65+ (PCGS).
 

Nope. If you pee in the pool it turns a different color. If you break a slab open, you just have a broken slab. 
As for the "coins", I think it is the same coin with just different lighting. 

The US Mint used different materials in different eras. The most common was emery abrasive in various grades (fineness) depending on the purpose. Calcium carbonate (CaCO3) - pure lime - was used at Carson and San Francisco...it was cheap, readily available and did not require careful filtering before use. Proof dies were given their final polish using finly ground and filtered polishing rouge (iron oxide, i.e., rust). By the 1930s cerium oxide was entering general use along side zirconia paste, later diamantic pastes were used. Cerium oxide is the most frequently encountered today.
[One way to make excellent polishing rouge is to grind common iron rust very fine, then sift through a series of sieves down to about 800/inch. Heat it and regrind the 800 powder, then sprinkle on water. Skim off whatever floats, and repeat until all the oxide has been treated. The oxide that floats will, when dried, give a uniformly excellent polish with no scratches or sleeks from coarse particles.]

Grader and TPG staff do provide pro bono work.  Mr Lange posts regularly on this site.  @Insider is active on some of the forums.  I've seen posts from the NGC ancient coin authenticators on the ancient forums. Fred Weinberg, recently retired error dealer and PCGS consultant offers great advice on various forums.  And they don't charge for it
 

But complicated enough so that when they are cracked open, the tampering is evident.  

...alternative......i think its called Rid-x.......

1933 Saint & Ernest Kehr  EC, besides reading some of the in-depth coverage of the trial from CoinWeek, I was wondering if you had read the stuff on the 1933 in Roger's book ?  What about the original Stacks 2002 auction catalog (David Tripp's piece) on the 1933 when Weitzman won the coin  ?
I was re-reading the 1933 section in RWB's book....one curious/funny thing that threw me (a little)....maybe it's because the 1st name sounds like it should be for an older person (like my grandfather, also named "Ernest" ) but I just assumed that Ernest A. Kehr, the guy who worked for The New York Herald Tribune, was some older coin/stamp collector now writing about them and was probably in his 50's or 60's (if not older).  Actually, he was only 33 years old when he got involved in the 1944 dustup involving the sales of the 1933 Saints.
It also appears his column was syndicated, not exclusive to the NYHT.  He was on the radio alot....and really promoted stamp collecting (where it appears he spent most of his time/efforts).  Wikepedia says he did 2,000 shows on radio AND TV (but I bet they don't have copies) promoting stamp/coin collecting.
He died in NYC (where he lived) in 1986 aged 75. 

I keep asking how these dumb 💩 brothers got so rich. The treasure hunter gene must truly be a nasty mutation. 

Like on Oak Island?

You should become a magician with that line.  

Dave, things get slow at times and this SS Republic and the prospect of an influx of thousands or tens of thousands of Saint seemed to energize the thread (I never heard or read about it, even with the Saint-Gaudens possibility).  Maybe the SS Republic should have had its own thread but a member posted it here (I had no objection and I created this thread) and we went a few pages on it.
No harm...no foul. 
I think it's mostly played out so if folks have questions or comments (RWB, CatBath, myself, and Alex seem to be the ones most active here) on Saints in general or the book specifically......happy to discuss Saints/The Book.
If anything material on the SS Republic hits in coming weeks or months (years ?), I'll create a dedicated thread unless someone beats me to it. 

Do enough members write German to make that practical?
Yes, it has strayed..... If we could download the full 63 pages, that extra material could be removed and a concise version made available to interested parties -- with, of course, the NGC credit line on the entire product.

This thread has veered so far astray from Roger's book that it may be time to start a new one having a more germane title.