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On 11/6/2022 at 8:25 PM, ldhair said:
I won't be posting any longer on this site with the exception of one thread I started 16 years ago and threads about the Fun Show in January.
Larry has built up a lot of credibility on this site as well as others over the years. His answers are accurate, he helps answer questions from new collectors, and has demonstrated his numismatic knowledge over and over again. @tj96, I'm not so sure. Its a darn shame that someone is chasing away @ldhair
If it wasn't for the research posts by rwb, I doubt I would be here much either. Maybe its also time to bail on this site. I'm sure QA and TJ96 can pick up on providing new collectors with accurate information.
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On 11/6/2022 at 1:23 PM, Ray Tatum said:Easy puppies. I don’t argue.
So you're just going to bounce in, make an inflammatory statement, provide no substantiation, and then refuse to support your statement when called out. I guess that's all we need to know about the credibility of your comments. Thanks.
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On 11/6/2022 at 8:38 AM, MarkFeld said:
It appears that you don’t keep your promises.
it doesn’t matter whether you, I or anyone else believes that what I described, is a viable option. What matters is what submitters of the coins believe. And I’ve seen posts from many collectors indicating that they submit coins for the reason I stated.
Now, in order to try to set a good example, I promise not to post to this thread again. And I keep my promises.
Great. Now we lost the opinions of a very knowledgeable and experienced dealer, former grader, and numismatic insider, but we will still get feedback (some of it occasionally relevant) from a guy talking to his rooster. Great tradeoff. Wonderful [sarcasm].
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On 11/6/2022 at 6:44 AM, Ray Tatum said:
Thread reeks of envy, I hope that it gets the grade that you deserve. Good luck.
I am also confused. Do you believe the OPs coin is a true doubled die and is close to MS-67 as the OP claims? What characteristics of true doubling do you see? What is your opinion of the numerous small tick marks on the obverse? Are these acceptable for MS-67?
The members are just trying to save the OP $65+ in grading fees, but it seems he already had his mind made up.
Will be interested in your explanation
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On 11/5/2022 at 5:11 PM, pigeonman333rd said:
Here's a questionable coin or counterfeit, this coin was found in copper purchased at 1.99 lb where I had to buy ten pounds from a local coin shop. The coin is a 1806 Hibernia coin which I think is a cent but I don't know, it has King George the second on the obverse. If anybody knows anything about this coin please share. Here is what the coin looks like.
Looks like a BRITISH Geo III penny, not an Irish one. Need better pics, as other have said.
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1. Gettysburg
2. Antietam
3. Grant
You can easily guess what area of history I like
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On 11/5/2022 at 4:34 AM, pigeonman333rd said:
I have a question about a coin being sold as a matte finish proof and before I buy it I would like to know is it a circulation coin or a matte finish proof? Here's the coin it is a snip it so I cant make the picture any better sorry.
Per the topic of this thread, I can say unequivocally that your Lincoln cent IS NOT a 1921 Peace Dollar regardless of the finish.
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Sorry, mechanical doubling. Not an error and no added value
Here is some info on the characteristics of doubling
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Personally, I think it's someone trolling the board. I don't think anyone can be this clueless when presented with such overwhelmingly obvious information.
I know we should just ignore trolls like this, and I'm probably more guilty than most for responding to this junk. I just wish we would get more help from admin to keep trolls from posting confusing and nonsensical information. They did get rid of slick coins last year (and he moved to another board and made a mockery for a while). Sorry
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given the reverse die is a ‘64 it seems to me it’s a prototype or pattern or trial piece (whats the difference, anyway?).
How did you determine that your 1965 SMS has a reverse Of 1964? I have never heard of such a variety and found nothIng doing an internet search. Can you please provide a reference or something so we can understand what you're claiming?
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On 11/2/2022 at 7:43 PM, Taylor7 said:Imagine being so arrogant you think you know the metallurgic composition of every coin in someone else’s collection, and also calling that someone else delusional.
but I think you actually might be right, it’s not a wrong planchet, that implies an error, given the reverse die is a ‘64 it seems to me it’s a prototype or pattern or trial piece (whats the difference, anyway?).
I’m not jumping to conclusions or offering this for sale yet though, just asking what the tolerance of a slabs weight is and noting the two slabs weigh .83g different!
Why does this upset you so much?
all I asked was what your recently graded halves weigh in their slabs. If you have some lying around and a scale just help a fellow collector out with useful data.
obviously wrong planchets are super rare errors else they wouldn’t be so valuable
if you believe they are so rare it’s pointless to look for them well then there is zero chance you fill find one. You can’t possibly know what I do and don’t have. THAT is insane
JPM,
if you weighed each set and there was a 1g difference between the two in their holders then yes, crack them out!
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Imagine being so arrogant you think you know the metallurgic composition of every coin in someone else’s collection, and also calling that someone else delusional.
Not being arrogant. Just understanding the likelihood of you having what you claim. It's an easy bet to say that NGC didn't miss a transitional error in a coin that they slabbed. I was certain I had the winning lotto ticket, but sometimes probability and reality work against you
Regarding delusional, normally this is just hyperbole, but one just needs to look at your previous post on the 1971-D half. You claimed that the XRF data was inaccurate because somebody was plotting against you and the data was hacked (never mind that the handheld XRF doesn't use the internet). Then you completely ignored pics of the edge that undeniably showed a copper clad core. All the time insisting that you had a rare coin because of some spurious tests. If that wasn't delusional, we may need a new definition.
Based on the credibility (or lack thereof) that you've built, I don't think the term delusional is off base
Why does this upset you so much?
Because coming on these boards, making delusional claims, failing to consider feedback from numerous experienced collectors, and posting questionable and spurious data as proof, does nothing more than confuse new collectors. The same ones many of us are trying to help to learn and grow in the hobby. Continuing to push your nonsense claims is confusing and detrimental to these people
And we won't even go into the $13,700 scam you were trying to pull. What if you did find a sucker , er buyer for your misattributed error? Then what?
You can’t possibly know what I do and don’t have. THAT is insane
No, but based on your numismatic knowledge and information that you shared, it shouldn't be too difficult to estimate exactly what you DON'T have.
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Die deterioration doubling which is common in zincoln cents. No characteristics of true doubling such as split serifs. Save your money and don't bother sending it in.
You received a strong consensus of opinion from a number of experienced and knowledgeable collectors with high levels of credibility on this board. But the final choice is yours
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Sorry, but your coin was plated after it left the mint. You can see it starting to peel away at the rim. The silver plating is either nickel, or it has a nickel strike coating under the final plate. Nickel is ferromagnetic so this type of plating will stick to a magnet. The low end weight tolerance of a cent is 2.98 grams. Your weight of 2.7 (1 digit resolution isn't very good) could be scale set up/calibration or a minor rolled thin planchet. Since the coin is plated, its considered damaged and the error wouldn't add any value.
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On 11/2/2022 at 11:24 AM, Taylor7 said:
Wow such hostility when asking such a simple question. Coin grade doesn’t add much value I’ll probably just crack it out so I can really verify it with the specific gravity test you all insist is the standard.
interesting though how it’s a DDR (which is why I submitted it) but after getting it back and being confused/disappointed by the lack of attribution, further inspection revealed the reverse is not the 1965 SMS FS-801 but rather the 1964 business strike DDR FS-801.
I don’t think this is coincidental.
0.83g is the difference between the two.
I’m sure the graders noticed. Why it wasn’t attributed is a different matter entirely. Get it? Different matter… I’ll show myself out.
so from my searching I don’t see any known examples of a 90% silver ‘65 half. The quarters go for up to $20k right? What do you think a half would go for?
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On 11/2/2022 at 11:00 AM, Tim72501 said:Investment,
Certified Key Coins. Or
Gold or Silver bullion
If we knew that, we wouldn't be hanging around coin chat boards answering questions.
If you've read through this thread, you'll notice one common response from many long time collectors. It's very difficult to make money collecting coins. We collect coins because we like the challenge of putting together date sets, or we love the history, or we like the way certain coins look. But coins as an investment? I have a 401k plus individual stocks and mutual funds. Coins are my loss leader
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On 11/2/2022 at 7:57 AM, Taylor7 said:
The most recent slab design - does it have a tight tolerance on weight? Would it be appropriate to weigh two slabbed coins and conclude one is on a wrong planchet if the difference matches the difference in planchet weight? If anyone has a few recently slabbed halves and could weigh them and report back it would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Wow, now you have a possible incorrect planchet in an NGC slab and the graders failed to notice such a significant find? After all of the accurate information you received (and ignored) from your last inquiry regarding your clad 1971-D that you insisted was 40% silver, I'm surprised you trust the group to provide the info you want to hear.
This should be fun
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On 11/1/2022 at 11:28 AM, Tim72501 said:
Here's a Pic to compare to the dome.
Notice how the copper part has very distinctive edges of the copper scrap separating it from the rest of the coin. It looks like you can peel it off. Now look at yours. The color fades into the surround silver clad, and some of the high points in the leaves are lighter. Nothing like the error you posted. No differentiation between the colors, only fading. And that is a characteristic of staining
The outer clad layer of your dime, as well as all other current clad business strikes is actually 75% copper and 25% Nickel. This alloy is subject to staining and environmental damage, so its not unusual to see PMD like yours. Let a clad coin sit in a cup holder for a few months with spilled soda, coffee, etc residue and see what happens. It's not pretty
Give us a good pic of the reverse of the cent. That could possibly be an error but we need more info
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On 11/1/2022 at 1:00 AM, VKurtB said:
I am EXTREMELY reluctant to offer grade opinions based on photos. It’s not a good practice. When I grade a coin, I want correct lighting (darkened room with a single 100W incandescent bulb in a small fixture) and I need to “swirl” the coin so that I can see how the highlights rotate around the coin’s surface, or that they don’t. Also, my experience at NGC’s grading contest has shown me that I am a terrible undergrader. I had a large cent to grade that was actually an MS68 that I had at MS64. You REALLY don’t want my opinion. That said, many of the members on here are even far worse undergraders than I am, especially some of the bigwigs. Bottom line: too many ways to screw up using photos, in the Mint State range. Want opinions from photos on well circulated coins? Easy Peazy, lemon squeezee. But on MS coins? No thank you.
Sometimes, the best thing is when you begin to understand what you don't know. The more I learn on the chat boards, the more I realize I need to learn more. Even after 50+ Years of active collecting and 200+ research books, whenever I start thinking I know a lot, something pops up and I have to dig in a do some research.
BTW , did anybody ever answer what a MS68.5 is in the title? Last I checked, the major TPGs don't use decimals.
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The dime and nickel are stained and environmental damaged. Not errors.
The cent MIGHT be something but you need to show the reverse. Could be struck through grease, struck through a capped die, or PMD. Need clear pics of both sides. Remember, if the pics are blurry and out of focus, there is no sense in posting them.
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We have all made monetary mistakes in the hobby. Some big and some small. It's called "tuition"
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On 10/31/2022 at 5:22 PM, Thunderkat84 said:🤓👍 so if one were to submit a coin they don't grade them anymore? Thanks for the reply, grateful
They would grade it as a standard business strike unless you provided documentation that it is from the Eva Adams estate that was sold in the late 80s or early 90s
Stay away from the "Get Rich from Pocket Change" sites. They never give you the full story. They just want clicks and do nothing to educate people. You will never get a 64 SMS coin in circulation because none were released to the public ( Did the website tell you that?)
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SpoilerOn 10/31/2022 at 4:24 PM, Harry’s Collection said:
This coin appears to have a diagonal scratch on Liberty jaw. You have to understand one thing from my research the mint never wanted a perfect smooth coin for circulation to avoid counterfeits.
However proofs are handled by hand & use a different polish & attributes to distinguish them from business.
Wayne Miler's Morgan and Peace Dollar Textbook has a nice write up on Proof Morgan's if anyone is interested.
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How did this thread go from Morgan dollars to mercury dimes to state quarters??
Please start new threads for new coins. It gets too confusing trying to keep track of who's talking about what coin. New threads will make it easier for everyone to comment, understand, and learn, or you can just turn this thread into a big cluster
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Outta here
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Been too much nonsense and irrelevant posts, and other than the research posts from RWB, there just seems to be too much worthless junk to wade through. I'm sure Ricky Rooster can step right up and provide accurate info to the new collectors who really want to learn (at least the few of them that aren't trolls or alt users). I'm sure his posts will continue to be as useful as always. Best of luck to you all
Outta here