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GoldFinger1969
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On 3/14/2022 at 7:54 PM, VKurtB said:
But I CANNOT ACCEPT his tendency to fill the inevitable gaps in the record with naked opinion not labeled as such.
If it's clearly opinion or if he is drawing a logical conclusion, that's OK.
It's not like Walter Breen getting caught (not his fault, IMO) talking about an English hoard of Saints.
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On 3/14/2022 at 9:04 PM, Lem E said:
From what I see the average price for most MS70s are in the $200/250 range. The Denver coin seems to bring the premium right now. According to the pop reports, they are the ones that didn’t grade well, and 70s were less abundant. Then again, it depends on which labels they have.
I thought the privvy mark coins were selling for $500 each ? And a complete set was like $2,000 or more for MS70 and 1st Strike ?
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On 3/14/2022 at 7:22 PM, VKurtB said:
Agreed. No question in my mind. Sounds like most of my girlfriends in my younger years - easy, cheap, and superficial.
And as with coins.....we need to ask....".....are they real....and are they spectacular ??"
- Fenntucky Mike and Woods020
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On 3/14/2022 at 4:48 PM, RWB said:
To me, and index exists to help readers find subjects, events, people and places of interest in the book. The most efficient way to accomplish that is usually preferred. I used searchable CD because that seemed the most efficient. I would have done the same for the DE book.
That FIND function for a PDF is very useful (when it works !
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Maybe someone can show us just the index for "A" in FMTM and we can extrapolate that a complete index would be 25x as much. I'm curious as to why a printed one would be so long (I have FMTM but don't know where I put the CD if I got one).
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FMTM has a Bibliography of 15 pages, 10 for the Saints book. Both very readable and useful.
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On 3/14/2022 at 1:53 PM, RWB said:
Yep. And some books have a lot of key names and topics, which makes a paper index bulky and costly to use.
FMTM index would be how big ? You might be focusing too much on minutae.
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On 3/14/2022 at 1:16 PM, RWB said:
True -- but the moderators don't make accuracy corrections....these sites just have better informed users. Over the internet the situation is supportive of ignorance and mediocrity.
I don't think I would have the interest in coins and/or Saints that I have today without all the information I have gathered from the internet, including message forums.
Also, WRONG information on a Saint or coin I can live with...it's GROSS FRAUD that poisons the well.
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On 3/14/2022 at 1:09 PM, RWB said:
Bob, I used to feel that way too...and an internal index is certainly more convenient than one that has to be accessed separately from the book. Yet, the problem is index size - literally page count. I made a digital index for an early version of From Mint to Mint with the intent to have it printed in the back of the book. But after cranking away for a while, the computer-generated index was a quarter the length of the book: about 100+ pages of 9pt type. So I switched to a full-text CD. (Had I used a printed index for the final 550 page book, it would have been well over 700 pages.
Wait a second....an Index is supposed to help you find KEY chapters or topics. It should be a fraction of the book size. I've never seen an index in the back of the book that is more than 10% of the book pages.
KEY names...KEY topics...maybe an obscure or peculiar fact highlighted.
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On 3/14/2022 at 1:04 PM, RWB said:
Well, I don't know.....over the past 20 years it seems that "bad information pushes out good information." At the least, that's been my personal experience with almost everything I've researched and published: the false junk proliferates; possibly because it's so easy, cheap, and superficial.
At least on the forums with moderators, compared to Ebay/Etsy/Craigslist/Reddit....I see light-years better information.
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Roger, have you seen the 1907 UHRs in person ? Any comments on the rankings above ?
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An MS-66+CAC 1924 went for $7,312 (with bp)....an MS-67 NGC 1924 went for $11,032 last night.
Prices moved up but I didn't see any bubble in 65+ coins or 65 CACs. Buyers remain disciplined and sellers aren't asking for the Moon.
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On 3/12/2022 at 10:22 AM, RWB said:
Numismatics is very slow to change. The internet has made change more difficult. Anyone can copy and paste from one obsolete reference to something "new" in 3-clicks of a tailless mouse, thus perpetuating false information.
But true information also spreads quickly and the nature of coin forums usually lends to bad information being forced out.
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On 3/13/2022 at 7:23 PM, RWB said:
Doesn't matter what the slab label says -- it's what your bank account says that counts.
Apparently, Bob Simpson had his re-done with his name on it. May have said "Hein" before him. Or no name on it.
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1907 MCMVII UHR Rankings as per this article and the folks who have seen many of them:
- Bloomfield UHR
- "Wall Street" UHR
- Simpson UHR
- Trompeter-Morse UHR
- Browning UHR
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Lineage traced to Col. Green and JF Bell collections.
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On 3/13/2022 at 2:26 PM, RWB said:
All the UHR $20 are patterns and all were made the same way -- except, the plain edge version did not get the lettered edge strike. Most patterns were made as "proofs" so all of these must be also.
Right...but the Bloomfield UHR has "MS" and not "PF" on the label.
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On 3/13/2022 at 5:25 PM, ldhall said:
I was really wondering why same coin and grade had a large difference in price between the 2 grading companies.
The PCGS premium really kicks in when the coins are at the ultra-rare population. For instance, I don't really see much of a premium for 1924 MS-65 Saints if it is PCGS or NGC. MS-67 is another story.
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On 3/13/2022 at 2:11 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:
Just FYI, I was verifying my registry coins against my inventory list, and noticed a number of VALUATION changes in at least ten coins. Value went up in most but down in a couple. So this tells me that there are automatic updates to valuation estimates. I last did this about 60 days ago. Thanks
Can your provide a link to your registry ? Couldn't find it last night.
Most coin values are going UP -- esp. gold -- so be wary about any down valuations. Again, auction prices are your best friend (GC's end tonight).
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Anything to say about the SAINTS cover ?
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On 6/25/2021 at 1:01 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:
$4,112,500: The Bloomfield UHR, considered by some the finest of the Ultras, was sold for just over $4 MM in April:
Another MCMVII UHR was sold in a private transaction for $4.75 MM to the owner of the 1933 Saint a few months ago (I must have missed it).
I thought it might be the Bloomfield UHR but that is graded MS-68 (not sure why, I thought all the Ultra High Reliefs are proofs). Anyway, I think I have an article that lists all the UHRs with pics (?) but this one hadn't traded since 2007 apparently.
More and more of these high-end 7 and 8-figure coins seem to be avoiding auction and going for sale in private transactions.
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On 3/12/2022 at 8:50 PM, ldhall said:Hello fellow collectors
I was wondering how often NGC updates the online price guide. It seems to me that I remember a "last updated date" when you go to a specific coin type which I no longer see. I previously asked the forum about a large variance of price (approx 200 dollars) between the top 2 grading companies in same grade of same coin which I didn't understand. Thanx for any input v/r Leroy
Is your primary focus the pricing differential between NGC and PCGS....or whether either or both are up-to-speed with current market values ? Those are separate issues.
I find the online pricing guide/chart useful for the TREND going back months or years....but not for the recent past or current market value. For that, I go to recent auctions at HA or GC.
Those are recent...real-time...and reflect true market outcomes often with multiple bidders on multiple items of the same grade.
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On 3/12/2022 at 10:38 PM, USAuPzlBxBob said:
One thing I've noticed about the coins I had collected, back around 2014, is that if I were to start from scratch, today, I would never have accomplished my objectives. Other than David Lawrence, no one has gold inventory right now… they've all been "picked clean."
I see quality on HA and GC all the time, do you look there ?
On 3/12/2022 at 10:38 PM, USAuPzlBxBob said:And when I look at just my main type set, I had a NGC Registry ranking for my 1834 — 1933 Gold Type Set of 48 late last year at some point… when I joined the Registry. My rank is now 58. There are a lot of new collectors out there, and they're well heeled.
That's something we have debated here for quite a while here: the long-term demographic strength of the hobby and the influx (?) post-Covid with all the new Keyboard Collectors. Your perspective is interesting and noted.
I'll check out your registry, thanks !
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"The Best One" MS-69 Wells Fargo Hoard 1908 No Motto for Sale: Just went up for sale, a month to go. Bidding over $100,000 right now. Should be very interesting to see what it goes for. I thought last time it was sold for $95,000 in the Morse Sale (2005) but maybe it re-sold at a later date for more, I'll have to check.
I was wondering how often NGC updates the online price guide. It seems to me that I remember a "last updated date" when you go to a specific coin type which I no longer see. I previously asked the forum about a large variance of price (approx 200 dollars) between the top 2 grading companies in same grade of same coin which I didn't understand. Thanx for any input 
Here we go again with the new Morgans and Peace dollars.
in US, World, and Ancient Coins
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You would think so but the recent experience with these ASE or other 1-ounce silver special coins is their secondary trading spikes ease off but do NOT collapse. Think of the 2019-S ASE.
These may be way overpriced to us....but to many of the new Keyboard Kollectors....they are at least AFFORDABLE relative to pricey Morgans, Saints, or most gold coins.
I think these are the people buying and keeping the prices afloat.