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@Yancey1997 is this your coin? If so where did you acquire it from and do you know what the number "4055" that is written on the 2X2 means? I have to agree with Sandon that the coin looks to be a reprocessed (fancy way of saying replated) coin with no obvious errors or anomalies worth only the face value of one cent.

Thank you, that is a special label done for a bulk submitter or possibly one of the bulk marketers, I do not know if NGC would still have any of those labels left on a shelf somewhere, but I rather doubt it. And I'm quite sure that you cannot request that specific label, only that specific bulk submitter could do so. I do not work for NGC so my reply is biased on my understanding of how the bulk submission program and special labels work. My suggestion is that you contact the NGC customer service department and speak directly with a CS representative about this issue, be sure to have the cert number when you call as that will help the CS rep to fully answer your questions. If keeping that label is important to you there are products that can be used to polish the plastic surfaces of slabs which can reduce or eliminate some scuffs or scratches, you could look into that avenue in the event that label is not available to you as a reholder. It is also possible you could contact 7K, a google search shows this company is still in business.

Yes already discussed here on the NGC forum, although the first thread title was not very good at describing the content. LINK

Can you supply a photo of this "7K" label, I am not sure what you are talking about.

Hello registry team, I have been experiencing an issue getting to my individual sets. When at my registry profile screen and I move the mouse over to the left and select "my competitive sets" I am given an error message as shown below. This began to happen today (9/10) after I noticed the system was down for maintenance on Saturday 9/9. I did log out and then back in but no dice. @Ali E., @dena I can access my individual coins just fine and I can also get to an individual set by going thru the old registry system, but not in the new registry system. Some help is needed.

If you asked for (and paid for) variety plus service on each coin you will get charged the $18 per coin regardless of what (or any) VAM is detected. You are paying for the time that it takes for each coin to be reviewed and researched, that happens regardless of if there is a VAM or not. So the answer is yes NGC will be keeping the $180 you paid.

I never assume that I know everything, we each have areas that we know well and areas that we can improve our knowledge of. I learn something new almost every day either here or another forum from members including yourself. That is what makes this community valuable.

Collect the coin not the holder, that is a phrase which just means you should be assessing the quality and grade of the coin in any TPG holder, not just blindly paying extra because the holder is an older style of holder. It is a great saying and is true to a point, however, today's world is not the same one that many older collectors grew up in. Many collectors enjoy collecting the old style of holders just as much for the holder as the coin, I am one of those collectors. I enjoy the history behind the holder as much as I enjoy the coin in the holder. CAC has made the decision to start a TPG company to compete with NGC, PCGS, ANACS, and the other current TPG companies. This is not a new phenomenon as many grading companies have been started and closed down since the early 1980's. We do not know if the new grading arm of CAC (often referred to as CACG) will be successful and be a long term TPG or not, that will be decided in the future. CAC is still offering the stickering service, there has been much speculation about how long that service will continue, this too will be decided in the future. The Regency holder was another short-lived holder style offered by PCGS from 1992 to 1994, the bulk of these holders were used to house the Danny Kaye collection of Israeli coins, while there are some, very few US coinage was ever placed into Regency holders. These are also highly sought after holders for those who like to collect holders. The use of the + and * are just ways that the TPG's came up with to highlight those coins which they feel are special in some way or another or are so very close to the next grade up on the Sheldon scale. These are subjective identifiers, and some collectors will agree while others will not, when considering a purchase of a + or * graded coin it is up to the buyer to decide if he agrees with the TPG's assessment of superior quality or eye appeal before spending extra monies for a coin with one of those identifiers on the label. This brings up back to the first part of your inquiry, buy the coin not the holder. When I replied to this above I may have misunderstood your question the first time, if you are asking about the retro doily style of holder/label, there is no magic stockpile of this holder/label. As I said it is impossible to know how many submitters requested this label when they submitted coins, as such these simply pop up for sale when they do, there is no source or motherload where you would be able to find a large quantity for sale in one place.

A bit off the topic, but yes CACG will be using plus grades in their grading scale. There is a green bean on the label of every CACG slab, it is not a separate sticker bean like what CAC affixes when it approves a coin, rather it is part of the design of the label, a brand symbol if you like. Early on JA was going to use the same stickers in the slabs, however, there was concern over the glue on the sticker outgassing and causing some toning issues. Thus, it was decided that the label would be printed with a CAC style green bean as part of the label. I only have my sample slab and no photos of it yet, but here is a photo of one of the new CACG slabs that has been posted on another forum, as you can see the "bean" printed on the label is on the right side of the label. This also shows the photography service that CACG is offering, similar to the NGC Photovision or PCGS TV.

OGH has always been used by slab collectors and researchers to refer to the PCGS generation 2.1 to 3.1 holders with the green labels. However, as we recently saw in another thread terms often get applied outside of their intended use, like the use of "SMS" to the mid 2000 satin finish coins. Rattler = PCGS gen 1.1 & 1.2 holders OGH = PCGS gen 2.1 to 3.1 holders OBH = PCGS gen 4 holders with the solid blue label OWH = ANACS old small white holder, also referred to as the "soapbox" holder Fattie = NGC gen 1 to gen 5 holders which had the solid core without the keyed line under the label. Gen 1 had the black core 2 thru 5 had the white core

Yes there often is a premium associated with many of the PCGS holder generation from 3.1 (the end of the OGH) and earlier, even the solid blue label holders are beginning to see some premiums as those are now getting more difficult to locate. The same is true for the Gen 1 thru Gen 5 NGC holders, often lumped together as "Fatties" because those early NGC generations were thicker than the Gen 6 to current holders. The very first PCGS rattler holder with the white label is extremely difficult to locate just as the very first NGC "black label" holder, both of these holders will sell for many thousands of dollars regardless of the coin in the holder. As to where they all are, well slab collecting is a real thing, I am myself a slab collector, if you click on the "old Holder collection" link in my sig line it will take you to my collection of old holders which currently has 99 old holders. However due to how the NGC system works visitors to my old holder collection can only see the NGC and PCGS holders, I have tons of old ANACS, PCI ACG and many other old and defunct grading services holders in that set.

Just to clarify and get this right, the first photo in your post is not an OGH, that is a gen 1.2 "rattler". OGH stands for old green holder and is used to describe the PCGS holder generations that cover gen 2.1 to 3.1. Yes the rattler does in this second version have a green label (the first version was white) but rattler holders are considered different than OGH holders. I guess I should do a class on holders.

Sorry to say but you are mistaken, this is indeed a retro doily holder, not an OGH and is a quite recent holder style. @Ohnoimbroke you are correct in calling this a retro doily, these were introduced in 2017 and could be requested by the submitter. While I do not know if there is any estimate of how many coins were submitted and this label requested, they are nothing special from a collectability of the holder standpoint, at least not at this time. Here is a true doily holder, this original label was used for a brief time in 1989, true doily holders are not impossible to find but are getting scarce. Edited to add, your Merc looks to be a very nice coin.

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Perhaps a macro could be built to do that, I cannot say as I have never tried it. Both the NGC and PCGS sites provide most of that functionality, so it really hasn't been anything I have wanted to try.

Anyone remember ACG.

How much worse can a coin done by AI be than the PC clipart garbage the mint is producing?

Rogers suggestion to get Mark's book is a good one, however, his book is quite out of date with new cameras and technology, also his book is difficult to find and usually very expensive. You could see if your local public library has a copy that you could check out. I have used Mark's services to take photos of most of my coins for many years, he is one of the very best at coin photography. As an alternative to his book here is a link to an on-line article that Mark published which has some of what is in his book. Again some of the technology has changed but the basic tips and information should help you out. LINK You can see examples of Mark's excellent work by clicking on the set links in my sig line, all those photos were done by Mark. I'll include one in this post as well, this is what you want to emulate with your own photos.

Honestly, no I cannot think of any feature or reason that I would need or want to cause me to switch from what I currently use. It is less about the tech or learning a new system but simply because I'm not young anymore and I have and will continue to collect less and less in the coming years. Some folks just like to try the new hotness or be on the edge of technology, I'm not one of those people; I'm in the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" crowd.

That is all fine, except that this thread is about a 1921P Morgan . For someone just stacking silver or who likes shiny things then this coin can fit the bill, but anyone that wants a 1921P Morgan for any numismatic value or purpose would (should) avoid this badly whizzed coin.

@RaritiesValue.com I have followed your post on the PCGS forum. You have a nice well thought out program/product, for myself I use the NGC registry software and my trusty Excel spreadsheet. These have served me well in managing and tracking my coin collection, I do not see myself altering that at the current time. I do think your program will be of great value, particularly to new collectors that do not have an established system.

Great copper everyone.

I think @Mr.Bill347 is correct, your second photo clearly shows the mm. The mm on the die had gotten filled with some grease or debris and the result is a very lightly impressed mm. A very common occurrence, it is technically an error but it is so common that there is no real significance to a small struck thru like this.

I know @Jason Abshier is a collector of German coinage and @Fenntucky Mike is knowledgeable on world coins, hopefully one or both of those fellows can be of assistance.