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A 68 would be nice, but the few I have seen listed on a few dealer websites over the past few years have been priced at around 4K, even the NGC graded ones. That is a really steep price tag for me, I think a 67+ is likely all I'll ever be able to afford. There is a PCGS 68 currently listed at $4,750 right now, great looking coin with some light tone, but way out of my budget at almost 5K.

Thank you, the 40-D became the low hanging fruit after you were able to get the points score revised, and while my previous 40-D Washington is very nice ti was always a bit dark for my liking. This upgrade is a better fit from a visual standpoint to most of the other silver coins in the set, still need to find that just right 40-S Merc.

I was able to add a few upgrades myself and get my score back to where it was prior to the removal of the CAC points, you will need more than 3,255 points now.

I purchased this coin from the Stacks and Bowers Fairmont (Rhone set) auction this past Aug. I had been mulling over a couple of lower grade examples on some dealer websites prior to this auction. I am really glad that I happened to look thru that auction as this coin is nicer than the two that I had been considering and less expensive (even with the vig) than the MS62+ coin on one dealers website. These are the S&B auction photos as I have not sent this to anyone for photos as of yet, MS63 CAC green bean.

Yep I agree with @Lem E and @The Neophyte Numismatist, heat damage, too close to the campfire.

If the dealer has a return option then it might be worth an in hand look, I usually try and give the TPG's the benefit of the doubt if I only have photos to go by. After all they have seen the coin in hand, sure they do make mistakes but they get it right most of the time. I would not fault your for passing on it, just some food for thought.

A very individual question that will resonate with each collector differently. Also, it would be useful if you would define what you consider the term "worth buying" means to you in the context of this discussion. Are you defining worth as in hoping for increased value in the future, or worth as in for the enjoyment of collecting those items. If you like those types of things and want to collect them by all means do so, just be careful not to be overpaying for them. For myself errors and varieties are not a focus of any kind for my collection, I enjoy studying them to understand how those things happen, but I have almost zero desire to own them. That is not to say that I have none in my collection, I do have a few clips, DDO's, overdates and over mintmarks, I do not own any errors as I consider them damaged and I do not usually want damaged coins in my collection. However almost all of those that I have I acquired many years ago when these types of coins were far less expensive than in todays market. Overall I see the error and variety market as a thin market that seems very easily manipulated, not that the overall coin market cannot also be manipulated, but the thinner the slice of the market the easier it is to manipulate. That manipulation can come from both inside and outside of the hobby, as an example; over the years I have seen many dealers (and collectors) use the "pump and dump" method to move inventory that might otherwise be difficult to sell. I honestly cannot count the number of times I have seen this done on coin forums, and the TPG registries have also given traction to items that would otherwise be very obscure. Another thing to consider is what resource to use in determining which errors or varieties to collect. Just this past week the PCGS registry deleted several varieties from lots of different coin series/sets. This seems (I say seems as there has been no direct communication from the folks at PCGS yet) to be in response to the new CPG which is what PCGS uses as their registry reference. There are a couple of threads on the PCGS forum with a few collectors that are very upset over the paper value losses they perceive to have suffered due to this sudden and unannounced change.

I only just saw this thread, I tend to unplug from the forums over the weekend. The photos are woefully insufficient for anyone to make much of a guess from. That is not a knock on you, I am assuming that these are the sellers photos, but it is not surprising that you had only one grade guess from those photos. Also, just to clarify I am guessing that you meant wing feathers not breast feathers, that is not a Morgan dollar. Anyway should you decide to purchase it, which seems unlikely given your reply, please update with your own photos, that might get some better dialog going.

I spent many hours revamping the look of this set in an attempt to make it more user friendly, I think it is better but I don't know. The custom registry is both open in many ways and yet very difficult and restrictive in others. In order to have photos of the slabs vs just closeups of the coins, (this set is about the slabs so that is what is important to see) I had to start from scratch and recreate each line as a want list coin instead of owned as most of the coins are. Something I considered was reducing the size of the set to include only one coin per type of holder, but I have the coins so why not include them all, but does that make the set difficult and perhaps boring to view? I attempted to include as much information on each slab type as I have in the description of the first example of each type, but I still have more to add on several of those and if anyone has any additional data on a type please let me know. Link to my custom set

Welcome to the forums, many new collectors are drawn to "shiny" coins as they often stand out against the usual dull coins we see in our change. That alone does not mean a coin has any value over its face value, this coin might have been pulled and placed into an album by a collector many years ago and if that collector passes and the collection is broken up many coin dealers suggest that coins like this that have no real value of their face value should just be spent by the heirs. Nothing wrong with holding onto this coin if you like it, but from only the obv photos you have provided I do not see anything that would make this worth more than the face value.

I don't know if there is any exact answer, I can say that from experience looking thru the coins that I collect via my business that the Denver coins seem to be of better quality. I noticed on many of the Philly quarters in recent years those coins would exhibit a strange ring around the coin in the fields, this looks to have been caused from poor production or quality control, I seldom saw this on any of the Denver coins. Additionally, I noticed on the crossing the Delaware quarters that a large percentage of Denver quarters have an almost proof like quality to the fields, conversely most of the Philly coinage I encountered appeared dull and lackluster. I attribute some of this to living on the west coast as Philly coins have to travel longer thru commerce channels before I see them, still even the best uncirculated coins that I have seen the Philly coins just don't seem on par with those from Denver. Also, it seems to me that most of the error coinage that I have seen or read about comes from the Philly mint, maybe there are more shenanigans that happen at the Philly mint, or maybe the QC is lower there, I don't know.

I did not do a deep dive on this coin, and I'm not a variety or rossie collector, but in general yes, it looks to me that this is a coin that might take time to find the right buyer. And I suspect that the sale price may not be one to take your breath away.

The 68 proof does look to match FS-502, so that coin would be worth the cost to have certified. The caveat to that is it could still be a tough sell as varieties are a thin market dominated by collectors that prefer to find these varieties themselves vs buying them already certified. As I type this there is an NGC certified PF67 of this variety for sale on Great Collections listed at $400 but no bids, I'm not sure how long that coin has been listed by GC. And to add to that PCGS just delisted many varieties from its registry and database, I'm not sure but I think this was one of those PCGS delisted. The 85 is a mess and is not eye catching or appealing at all to me, it looks like a victim of environmental damage. While the appetite for toned coins surprises me all the time, I doubt there are many collectors that would pay anything, much less a premium, for that look.

You have a circulated 1923 Peace dollar, the value of the coin is largely tied to the spot price of silver and is worth around $25 give or take a buck.

Enjoy your newps!

Can you explain why you feel it would be worth having this coin graded? From your photos I see no reason to spend $60+ dollars on this coin.

Hope everyone that can attend has "Fun" Much too far and too expensive for us poor collectors on the West coast to go.

As has been said poor storage has ruined a great many of the 60's, 70's, and even many of the 80's mint and proof sets. People would buy them and then throw them into a box and shove that into an attic or basement. Heat and humidity are tough on coins stored in the older packaging which as @JKK noted had PVC in the materials. There are still nice sets out there that have been properly stored, but many of the collector estates that are being liquidated by heirs are full of these improperly stored coins. As such many local coin shops and retail outlets like ebay become the dumping grounds for the chaff, the good stuff that shops are occasionally offered are usually broken up with the best or pretty toned coins being sent to grading.

Welcome to the forum, not in the new system, at least not that I know of. However, you can get this information (and more) from the old registry system. If you are not aware, the old registry system, the previous version before the registry was updated, is available at WWW.Collectors-society.com. You use the same login and password as you currently use once logged in you will click on the NGC registry tab. Then hover the mouse over the "My Collection" tab and a dropdown menu will appear, select "Collection Manager" and you will be taken to a list of your coins that you have loaded into your inventory. Scroll down and at the lower right under the guide collum you will see a total that represents the NGC guide price for your coins. To the left of the guide collum is a collum titled "Purchase" and if you have input any of the purchase prices for each coin as you entered them into your inventory that total will also be shown Keep in mind that the NGC guide is just that, a guide, and in general I have found the NGC guide to be on the slightly optimistic side. Also, the "value" of your collection may be higher or lower if you sent everything to auction today, but that will give you a decent starting point for value. You can also run an inventory report from the old system, once again this is in the drop down menu under my collection.

Worth exactly twenty five cents, spend it wisely.

I agree, this coin is just a normal quarter that was used for a while in commerce and received a few scrapes and dings.

I don't need to review a coinfacts link, I've been collecting Lincoln cents for decades and I have seen examples of this DDO in hand. Looking at photos is great but it is not a replacement for actual eyes on the real thing. As I said this coin could be an example of this DDO; and I also said it may be too worn to be able to authenticate, but from what I can see it should not be dismissed without an in-hand review. If you read the thread that Sandon linked above I asked that op for a photo of the "TY" of Liberty, if the op @Erin33 is still reading this thread perhaps he/she can provide a closeup of that on this coin, would go a long way to proving or disproving.

You seem to have missed altogether what I circled, as I wrote above look at the horizontal line that is visible on the lower part of the seven crossbar, I did not circle the crossbar because it is thick. That line separates the upper and lower sections of the crossbar and is a strong indication of the DDO as the line bisects the crossbar and the lower section is clearly at or about the same level of the upper portion of the crossbar and is far too wide to be just MD. The thickness of the vertical section is easily attributed to the level of wear and is not (imo) a concern on such a well-worn coin. What does give hope for a true DDO is the presence of that line that separates the crossbar, that is the same on the op's coin and all of the images you will see on all the reference sites. What the op did not provide is adequate photos of the letters of IGWT, this is a coin that should be reviewed in hand and not be dismissed so easily. Even if we had photos of the IGWT letters, this DDO is not easy to diagnose from photos on a coin with this level of wear.