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Certainly not the news you would want to see at the plant gates.

Just as the title reads I have a 1930 MS66 Buffalo I would like to sell as I found a 66+ I would like to upgrade to. This date has been running right at a $300 avg in recent auctions with many dealers asking $400. My price is $325 net to me and I'll cover the insured priority shipping, can accept paypal (add 3% for the fees) or check. These photos were taken by Mark Goodman and are very true to what the coin looks like. I'll add some slab photos shortly.

Does not matter, if the coin has not changed in ten years then chances are extremely high that the coin will never change unless it is subjected to some very poor storage conditions. In fact both the top TPG's really don't have any guarantee when it comes to copper, those provisions were gutted years ago.

Having different slabs and slab types just doesn't bother me in the least, I value old slabs because I know the coins are stable and have not been doctored. In fact when I see coins in brand new slabs the first thought is has this coin been recently worked over and how much do I have to worried about the coin turning in the holder, especially for copper and gold. I know you have not been improving them but its a definite concern for copper collectors like myself

Good news that your son is showing improvement and progress. It will be a shame to lose the historical holders, I very much like the old fatty holders and gen 3 holders are getting harder to find.

Looks like split plate doubling, what year is this coin?

I'm going to disagree, that serf of the 2 in the date looks split to me and the 0's seem to look thickened, do you have any photos of the lettering?

There are 9 DDO's for 1972, only die 1 (FS-101) is the money coin however both die 2 (FS-102) and die 3 (FS-103) show fairly significant doubling and are sometimes mistaken as the money coin. Your obv photo is not close enough and when I try to zoom in the photo becomes too pixilated to be able to identify if you have one of the lesser variants. All of the lesser DDO's have some slight premium but not very much as there is not much demand for them, I have two of the die 1 coins and somewhere along the way I was given a die 8. Check here http://lincolncentresource.com/doubledies/doubledies.html and compare your coin to the photos to determine if you have one of the nine die pairs.

Welcome and great first post, a model for others to follow. Your questions: 1) Yes it does exhibit signs of both true doubling and some MD; VV only lists one DDO for this date/mm and it has a greater spread on the letters than your coin. Its possible that your coin may be a latter die state or a new discovery, either way you would need to submit it for verification of the DDO and then you would need to decide if you want to have it graded and slabbed. 2) I would for sure have it graded if it turns out to be a new discovery piece. Most likely I would not if it is not verified as a new discovery and/or DDO. 3) Grading and slabbing usually around $50 all in for one coin (less if you have multiple coins as you can avg out the shipping costs). 4) I don't collect or follow the pricing for this series so I don't know for sure but I would guess under $10 raw and under $20 if slabbed and not a discovery coin. 5) Raw Ebay is the best platform, slabbed then either Ebay or Great Collections would be the best auction house venue. Best of luck I hope it turns out to be a new discovery coin.

It would seem that you have answered your own question "It doesn't have obvious doubling"

He did, but he also had a financial interest in PCGS and that doesn't make for the most objective standpoint. From a company bottom line standpoint computerized grading would at some point in the future restrict profits as it would discourage crackouts and regrade opportunities. The other issue is that grading has never been fully standardized, it has always been (and even more now) a wizard science that incorporates the least objective (and often the most weighted) criteria known as eye appeal. Machines can learn but it would still be more predictable in this area than a human that is subject to many factors like; how does he feel that day, or how tired is he from being up all night with a crying baby. All those human emotions and external factors do play a part into each grade, and because of that the opportunity for regrade and crackout submissions income that would not be a part of computer grading.

The process goes as follows (as I understand it): The mint coins the coins Coins are sent from the mint to the Federal Reserve Banks (sometimes referred to as the fed) The Federal Reserve Banks hold coins and distribute coins to the armored services and/or banks as they are ordered Banks give and get coins from/thru the armored services and the Federal Bank as needed. The armored services take coins to and from banks, count and reroll and then redistribute to the banks replenishing as needed from the Federal Reserve Bank.

Welcome to the forum, there is nothing we can do to help you without some basic information, what the coin is, and some photos. I'm not sure just what you think this place is but nobody here knows who you are or where you live so nobody is going to show up on your doorstep from here because you post a photo of a coin. Also we get several "life altering" coins that people claim to find each week, I have never seen one yet be the real deal. I'm not saying your wrong but experience has taught me that the odds are the coin you have is not what you think it is, but if you can provide nice clear photos I'm sure that someone here can provide the information you are seeking.

Welcome to the forum, there is no way for anyone to be able to help or identify the coin from the photos you have posted in your op. We will need clear in focus closeup photos, also please crop your photos so that the coin doesn't appear to have been photographed from the moon. Edited to add: I don't know where you got your price point from; and while your photos are poor it is clear that the coin is a very low grade coin. Even if it is a DDO as you claim the value is under $100 from my quick auction archive search.

It might be a late die state OMM-006 but the condition of the coin is going to make it tough to match or be recognized. Its also just as likely that its PMD, in any case its not the money coin which is the OMM-001

The coin looks polished from the op photos, it could be a lamination or something from the polishing tough to say.

This is a nice, although slightly pricy holder. https://www.lighthouse.us/prisma-coin-box-with-acrylic-see-through-lid-for-one-quadrum-snaplock.html

ATS a member has show a few coins/medals that have been damaged (bent) from being slabbed because the metal was too soft or thin. I think you'd be doing a disservice to yourself by having it slabbed, instead I would look for a capsule holder like a kointain, airtight or similar product.

No coins develop spots, tone, or change color known as "turning in the holder" after being slabbed by a TPG. This happens for many reasons, from as simple as someone along the grading chain sneezed and some droplets landed on the coin to a doctored coin that slipped past the graders. An example of this is the milkspots that form on many ASE's, nobody knows for sure what causes them to form but it has been a problem with very fine silver coins and you will see many white spotted coins in high grade holders because the spots formed after the coin was slabbed. Also slabs are not 100% airtight so in some cases coins change after slabbing due to improper storage in a high humidity climate.

Looks interesting and a good read.

Keep in mind that its at least possible that some of what you see is on the slab not the coin, photographing proofs is a tricky business and you can get some weird image effects. I'm not saying that's the case with these two but notice the lettering on the second coin linked, that is almost guarantied to be a photo effect so its at least possible that some of the other stuff could be as well. Just goes to show that nothing beats an in hand view. Having said that coins do turn in holders many times after grading.

Neither of those cert numbers are valid when I attempted to verify them on the PCGS site. If you have not done so I suggest you try and verify these two cert numbers yourself, here is a link to the PCGS site. https://www.pcgs.com/resources Up in the right hand side you will see an icon for verify, click on it and input your numbers, both the numbers you provided in your op (501172604, and 501172603) are not currently valid. Some reasons for this might include a typo error in your request/post, a mechanical error on the part of PCGS, and other reasons. You would need to contact PCGS customer service to determine the problem and see what can be done to resolve the issue. Note I do not work for NGC just a collector giving you some free advice.

Not long ago the ANA suspended/postponed the show in hopes of finding an alternate site, I received an email today that the show is now officially canceled for 2020. I think most fully expected this outcome but still sad news.

Except that its a 1982 non error.

Hard to discern the depth of the marks from the photos the one above the instrument looks more like a scrape. Sometimes with large heavy coins like Morgan dollars you will see scrapes like this from a coin that contacted and slid along the surface of the coin. But down by the date looks more like damage/scratch.