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Those fractional gold pieces are very cool, congrats.

Roosters seem to be very popular or important in France. I have not seen QA post for a day or two I'm wondering if he is in time out again.

Looks a bit like marks from a tool like a vice grip or plyers, unfortunately only the person that used the tool to apply those marks will ever know for sure. All anyone now can deduce is that those marks are damage after the coin left the mint.

He has also posted the same cryptic message on the PCGS forum several times in the past couple of days. Most likely just an alt or a previously banned member trolling.

As @Lem E said all three are large dates.

I totally thought this thread was about something else.

I cannot recall seeing one, certainly not in recent years.

Most of my early ANACS style holders have Morgan dollars in them as that is what I was collecting in slabs at that time, most of my copper in older holders are in NGC fatties or PCGS rattlers and OGH holders. I really like the style with the gold reverse sticker, those are getting much tougher to find anymore.

I know but I did not reply to his original post. It looks like a die gouge to me not some theory about an omitted image, whatever that is.

My guess is a die gouge, a strike thru would go over the coat.

I do as well, in general I like the old holders when buying coins not made of silver or gold. It really helps the comfort level as you know the surfaces are stable and less likely to change or turn in the holder vs a brand new holder.

I would like to get a higher grade flyer, just has never been a priority.

The breakeven point for the $199 fee is just over $1,300 in grading costs, 1,300 X .15 =195. So once you spend $1,300 in grading fees you have covered the $199 cost. How many coins or submissions that would take depends on the tier you are submitting under, the less expensive the tier the more coins you would need to submit to reach the $1,300 threshold. If you assume only submitting under the current standard tier rate of $40 per coin you have to submit 33 coins to reach the breakeven point. However, the express tier would cut that number in half at $80 per coin, and if using the walkthrough tier, you only need 8 coins at $175 per coin. So, in general you would need to submit at a minimum 9+ coins to see any benefit from the 15% discount afforded to a dealer account. That sounds simple, but unless you are sending in a ton of moderns, errors, or US mint release coins it could be difficult to come up with enough classic coins worth the cost and time to submit to make it past that breakeven point.

Welcome to the forum Ann. I am not that well versed in Bust Halves, but I would think this coin would grade as AU details cleaned. I think you overpaid for it given that the coin shows signs of cleaning, the problem with buying coins with problems (like cleaning or rim dings etc) is that those problem coins are more difficult to sell when that time comes. This was not a large sum of money so your downside is minimal, however, if you continue to overpay for problem coins it could add up to a substantial loss down the road. Some food for thought, great coins are not cheap and cheap coins are often not great. Enjoy your coin collecting it is a fun hobby but does have some pitfalls to be aware of.

I would hope that NGC requires some level of proof before assigning a new applicant a dealer account. However, if the number of dealer accounts has grown to an unwieldy amount with many only sending in a small handful of submissions, this change could be a way to shake out those non dealers and/or dealers that only submit a handful of times who are receiving the benefits of a dealer account.

I too think it may be legit, however I also think it is destined to remain raw as a result of the damage. It would need a good in hand review to verify.

No, CAC does not publish data on the coins that fail. If they did those coins values would plumet overnight and the market would be a mess.

We would need to see good in focus, cropped, close up photos of the obv and rev to be able to provide any thoughts on value.

Difficult to say without some photos and an accurate weight of the coins in question. For the one that is not attracted it could be one of the many high school science experiment coins that have been coated with something. Not uncommon, also there are numerous fakes that can be purchased from unscrupulous seller abroad and it could be one of those.

A cool find for sure.

Cannot recall if I posted this one here or not, so I'll post it anyway. Bought this originally in an ACG MS64 holder I really thought it would upgrade when I crossed it, I still think its nicer than MS64.

When money is involved, even rather small amounts, hope overtakes reason and logic every time. It is an emotional greed response and the same one that casinos and other gambling endeavors exploit. It is also the same response you get when you know a coin will grade as MS63 but the owner is adamite that it is at least MS65. Or that they have some amazing error and that by showing ten thousand photos of the non-error coin that somehow, he will be proven right, and his coin will magically become worth millions. Many times, even after being proven wrong after getting results from a TPG submission the owner of such coins will simply say they were hosed in order to keep the dream alive. The dream of finding, winning lots of money, or having something worth lots of money is a very powerful emotion.

I suspect that he knows and as already suggested is just using keywords in the title to get more views and hopefully a high sucker bid.

No I'm not a dealer and therefor I have no idea of the cost structure that dealers receive vs collectors.

I would grade your quarter as VF35, this is a common date and you would gain nothing financially from having it graded and encapsulated. If you are concerned about protecting the coin there are many far less expensive ways to do so. Two that are on the top of my head or Airtite capsules and the other is a single coin capital holder; both of these will do an excellent job of protecting the coin at a fraction of what it will cost to have a TPG grade and encapsulate.