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@VKurtB :
Two surprises... you guys can afford, ahem, c-o-f-f-e-e???  (I Refuse to buy water!)  No way I'm going to pay money for water. Can any of you armchair experts explain why every plastic water bottle, irrespective of brand or water source, is imprinted with an EXPIRATION DATE?
Now on to the matter at hand... As far as I am concerned, i do not subscribe to the herd instinct and, if I read Roger right, neither does he.  I like independent thinkers and their thoughts. Free thinkers expressing free thoughts.
Case in point: I will not prolong the matter involving theories between science, heliocentrism and charges of heresy brought against those who simply expressed their belief that the planets revolved about the sun resulting in actions taken against Nicolaus Copernicus (who died in 1543); Giordano Bruno who dared suggest Earth moves around the sun and the first to propose that the universe is infinite (executed/death by burning February 17, 1600; and Galileo Galilei who persisted in defying church authorities' edicts against heretical thinking and was also burned alive  only weeks later.
In another thread I promised Kurt I would buy him a tankful of gasoline for his Deusenberg irrespective of my POV on a range of issues.  I only ask he understand I am obligated to defend Rogers' views to express his thoughts within the framework of the Guidelines as is his privilege, whether I agree with them or not. He was not voted Numismatist of the Year solely on the strength of his good looks. 🤣

I am going to insist his remark was taken out of context or he was not quoted in totality.
Preservation is EVERYTHING!  It accentuates EVERYTHING!  Disagreeing with someone based on something someone else reported he said in relevant part without giving anyone here a precise quote, or even a chance to "s'plain" himself, smacks of un-Americanism.
Not exactly analogous to the matter at hand but a bridge token was posted on this Forum recently that was so corroded, the owner enlisted the membership for assistance in identifying it.  To the Forum's credit, two members were able to decipher the virtual hieroglyphics. (Nobody accused either of practicing numismatics without a license.)
Strong strike, original mint luster, and color are irrelevant in cases like that.  I repeat: IRRELEVANT! PRESERVATION IS KEY AND CONTROLLING. Not all grading characteristics are relevant in every case.
I do not and cannot allow anyone to dictate how any member is received or treated by the membership.
I don't need an open or concealed carry permit. Getting along with Roger is easy.  Just don't mention Breen or Penny in his presence.        

The question is whether quality of strike and luster matter to a grade (yes, they OBVIOUSLY DO, and virtually the ENTIRE HOBBY other than RWB agree on this). When an esteemed author and researcher uses OPINION to so obviously lead new collectors astray, he needs to be viewed with a jaundiced eye. 

I believe we are talking about different kinds of NGC memberships. Being on the discussion board is free, and NOT the type of membership to which I refer. Neither is having a Registry Set. The type of membership to which I refer is the ability to submit coins directly for grading, without an intermediary. The one for which I pay $149 a year. For those who do the math, I was a serious collector for 31 years before I even THOUGHT of sending ANY coin to a TPGS (old small soap bar ANACS), and I switched EXCLUSIVELY to NGC another 16 years later. And here we are another 14 years later. Still using NGC exclusively. AND I have NEVER “coin roll hunted” nor ever searched change for errors or varieties. I DO search and keep extraordinarily excellent coins, but not “different”, which is a foole’s errand. 
 
I DID have a Nebraska ATB “what’s that garbage in that window pane” variety fall into my lap, and a 1943/42 nickel from my 1963 blue Whitman folder magically appear. I had it for over 50 years before detecting the variety 

...1934 new jersey bridge token..."bridge token"..."established 1934"....

...thats unfortunate...u mite try going to a local coin show when u can travel n ask sponsors if they r aware of any clubs?...as for ur books, some schools have student coin clubs n mite desire a donation?...

...thats unfortunate...u mite try going to a local coin show when u can travel n ask sponsors if they r aware of any clubs?...as for ur books, some schools have student coin clubs n mite desire a donation?...

Want an example? A contemporary one? Try this. On page 19, second column, Richard Giedroyc, in Coin Clinic, the April 23 issue, Numismatic News. A reader asked :
”What standards were used when a coin grades were being established by the companies that would grade them?”
Richard Giedroyc responded in relevant part:
”It is generally agreed upon that the grade of a coin should be determined by the strike, state of preservation, luster, color, and eye appeal of that coin.”
Roger insists that only the state of preservation should be used in grading. That leaves ALL OF US in the position of accepting what is generally agreed upon in the numismatic hobby, or accepting Roger’s individual and unsupported opinion. I’ll take the former, thank you very much. 

Collecting old coin catalogs is cool , rarely do some collectors talk about their numismatic book/catalog collection it’s just as important as collecting coins , we live in age where people depend on internet to give them all information … sometimes the book is much better to look at 

...1934 new jersey bridge token..."bridge token"..."established 1934"....

...nice start, long way to go...ive known a few collectors over the years that were trying to collect every edition, some bit pricey...i inherited the editions my grandfather had so i have a few of the early years n those ive bought here n there...off top my head think first year was 1947...u tell ur wife she did good....

I consider his completely and utterly out of step opinions regarding grading to be disqualifying for being taken seriously on anything else. 

YOUR opinion and 5 bucks will get you a Starbucks. Sooooo many of your opinions are out of step with the ENTIRE numismatic hobby. YOU are the outlier, not me. You are a classic narcissist. 

🐓 :  Hey Q, mind telling me how this repetitious regurgitation contributes to "broadening the body of numismatic knowledge?"
Q.A.:  It doesn't and isn't intended to.  It's tolerated as coming from someone who emulates the infantile and immature.  I allow it as one would an impetuous adolescent. As records, if still maintained, will reflect, only ONE member had the intestinal fortitude and colossal gall to respond to an accusation of another by proclaiming, rather publicly, "I do not like you and have 'ignored' you!"  Word has it Edgar Jason Allan Poe chose to move his base of operations ATS.
If the malcontent were to embrace our Grand Master, whether he agrees with everything he does or not -- as a courtesy one member extends to another -- the equivalent of two reams of essentially passive-aggressive fluff, would evaporate overnight.  Me?  I haven't a worry in the world.

...usually not graded...unaltered probably a better way to go....

...great minds do think together, congrats to both....

...great minds do think together, congrats to both....

...usually the "big" presentations etc r by by invites...smaller regional n local shows combination of invites or knowing persons in clubs or special interest groups...n in some areas i.e. community colleges ask local individuals to make presentations on the hobby or in ur area of interest investment opportunities, some local attorney organizations invite to get current perspectives or trends...

The apparent lack of doubling on any design elements other than the ear suggests to me that these coins were not struck from a doubled die and that the anomaly is due to some form of die damage, as is now believed to be the case with the similar appearing so-called 1997 DDO, FS-101. See Lincoln Cents, Memorial Reverse (1959-2008) | VarietyPlus® | NGC (ngccoin.com). Obviously, this 2024 variety is worthy of further investigation.

Not rare, just hard to find not sure why. Maybe because there are less than fifty graded higher.

The so-called and misnamed 1964 "SMS" coins don't have mirror surfaces like your coin, which is obviously a proof strike, one of 3,950,762 issued in proof sets.  It is now believed that what are now described as 1964 "Special Strike" coins "consisted of ordinary coinage of the type made for circulation, but the dies were fresh and sharp, retaining the satiny fields characteristic of new dies, along with the fine, irregular polishing lines also typical of new currency dies."  1964 50C SP | Coin Explorer | NGC (ngccoin.com) (Emphasis added).  Without this satin finish and die polish, like that shown on the image of the coin in the NGC Coin Explorer, any "die markers", assuming your coin has them, are meaningless.
   It appears that all of the known 1964 "Special Strike" originated from a specific source from which they were distributed in the early 1990s, and none has been found elsewhere. A number of claims of having found examples, which usually turn out to be ordinary circulation strikes, have been made on these forums, and none has been validated to date. Ongoing research may reveal that even the authenticated pieces really shouldn't be regarded as "special" either. See Comprehensive Research on the So Called 1964 "SMS" Coins Is In the Works - What Questions Do Members Here Have About these Coins? - US, World, and Ancient Coins - NGC Coin Collectors Chat Boards.
 

Your coin is not one of the so called SMS coins, just a normal brilliant proof.

...at least he will have 2 members, some here wont have any....