Walkerfan Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) This is why I still like to watch Rick Tomaska. He always has something interesting on his show! Here is our own NGC President Mark Salzberg opening up and authenticating an original mint-sealed bag of Kennedys issued on the first day (03/19/1964). NGC soft-graded them Brilliant Uncirculated and Choice Brilliant Uncirculated. Rick was offering the choice examples, which are basically in the MS 63 range, for about $500 a piece. They had the special Kennedy label, too, with the first day of issue designation. It was a very interesting piece of Kennedy and U.S. coinage history. Edited May 18, 2020 by Walkerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 The bare hands and the clinking made me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Watching Mark open the can and bag was more satisfying than watching Rivera open Al Capone's vault. It's nice that he produced a video of it. Walkerfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Pretty cool! No way I would pay $500 for one though! Hoghead515 and Walkerfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, bsshog40 said: Pretty cool! No way I would pay $500 for one though! What is/was the current FMV a few months ago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, GoldFinger1969 said: What is/was the current FMV a few months ago ? I have no idea. I only know I wouldn't pay $500 for a BU coin with a first release label. Hoghead515 and GoldFinger1969 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 This old news coming back around again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Walkerfan Posted May 20, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Conder101 said: This old news coming back around again? This only happened about a month ago and many people, myself included, weren’t aware of it. Hoghead515, GoldFinger1969 and Modwriter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Arrius Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Here it is over a year later and I am finding out about this right now. I wish just once someone would sit me down and walk me thru this FMV. This bucket's been lying around somewhere in someone's attic for half a century. For 50 years the public, I assume, is unaware of its existence and then suddenly the market -- till then deprived of the privilege of owning any of these last-year-of-silver, FS's, is suddenly flooded with however many of these come in a Mint-sealed bag, and the price for these are set at this precise, astronomical, well-rounded price... how? How was demand perceived? Extraordinarily rare First Strikes suddenly available after 50 years. Granted, most unusual. How many of these First Strikes were available before the dump? None. The burden of proof is on the owner and I seriously doubt anyone will be able to magically produce the required documentation. And, not to be rude or impertinent, but how did the original owner profit from something he'd never laid his eyes on? FMV, how? A pre-market poll? A secret sit-down somewhere? No collusion? Fine, so how? Five hundred bucks, exclusive of sales tax, fifty years later... How was demand determined? I'm a certified newbie. I'm all ears 👂. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 $15 coin in BU condition and you pay another $380 ! For a label in a slab wow ! Seems like a good deal ! NOT Hoghead515, RonnieR131, rrantique and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Well the NGC coin in picture above isn’t even close to BU condition more like a basic UNC. Coin nothing to write back home about Modwriter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeman Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 First Day of Issue, Early Release, Special Holder, .... Remember when collectors would buy the coin, not the holder? Seems that, these days, the plastic brings more than the coin. Maybe HSN Mike Mazak is smarter that I thought..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) On 8/13/2021 at 12:42 PM, Treeman said: First Day of Issue, Early Release, These statements are not provable. Edited August 13, 2021 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 7:57 PM, Quintus Arrius said: FMV, how? A pre-market poll? How was demand determined? That is exactly how it was done. They sent out questionnaires to collectors all across the United States. I don't understand why you don't know about this. They sent mailers to everyone they considered to be of any significance whatsoever to the Hobby. Did you not get one? Quintus Arrius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarguli Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 A Choice BU one recently sold <$100 on eBay. I'm sorry, but garbage like this flat out harms the coin community. Uneducated grandmas buy this stuff for their coin collector grandchild. Modwriter and ldhair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Arrius Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 1:56 PM, RWB said: These statements are not provable. I guess I am very gullible. I personally have no problem the submitter met the burden of proof required for certification with a chain of documentary tangible evidence: Official U.S.M. canvas bags, intact seals, and tags date-stamped, with a videotaped unveiling with at least two eyewitnesses. I am sure the "evidence" was retained to assert the claim made by a top TPGS, but if not, what do you feel is lacking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Arrius Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 @Just Bob I like my scenario: after major coin conventions, a select group of numismaticians meet, by invitation only, at a secret, undisclosed location to set the various quarterly industry-related commodities prices. And marketing takes it from there to convince the public and consumers to jump in, don't wait, get in on the ground-floor and buy, Buy, BUY! before this unprecedented once-in-a-lifetime offer expires. To echo Morgan Freeman in the Shawshank Redemption: "Alright then, who's going to prove me wrong?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeman Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 What's with the new "Advance Release"? Same coin, but you can get it in different plastic for only 5 times what it's worth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) On 8/13/2021 at 4:24 PM, Quintus Arrius said: I guess I am very gullible. I personally have no problem the submitter met the burden of proof required for certification with a chain of documentary tangible evidence: Official U.S.M. canvas bags, intact seals, and tags date-stamped, with a videotaped unveiling with at least two eyewitnesses. I am sure the "evidence" was retained to assert the claim made by a top TPGS, but if not, what do you feel is lacking? The materials available do not support the descriptions. Ask the TPG to show you copies of all the tags, seals, etc. Then, go do some original research. Edited August 13, 2021 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Arrius Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 5:01 PM, RWB said: The materials available do not support the descriptions. As the TPG to show you copies of all the tags, seals, etc. Then, go do some original research. That's a pretty provocative statement, and challenge. (I think I'll let my better half, the boss, handle this.) 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) On 8/13/2021 at 2:50 PM, gmarguli said: A Choice BU one recently sold <$100 on eBay. I'm sorry, but garbage like this flat out harms the coin community. Uneducated grandmas buy this stuff for their coin collector grandchild. You're absolutely right. I can't tell you how many hearts I had to break and hopes I had to dash when I worked at the brick and mortar shop with stuff like this. People would bring things like this, stuff from Littleton, stuff bought off the TV and we'd have to tell them what they had was either worthless or worth far less than they paid for it. And some of these people really needed some significant money when they came to sell to us. But we couldn't help them. In this hobby, and in life, there are many things which are legal but which aren't necessarily ethical. If NGC certifies these coins with a special label, that's more than fine, but to sell these coins for such a high markup over what an ordinary uncirculated 1964-D Kennedy sells for, I have a big issue with that. I just don't see what makes them worth that kind of a markup. Edited August 15, 2021 by Mohawk Typo Jason Abshier and Modwriter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 12:42 PM, Treeman said: Remember when collectors would buy the coin, not the holder? Seems that, these days, the plastic brings more than the coin Don’t forget groovy cool paper labels in a slab are hot too ! Mohawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 8:57 PM, Quintus Arrius said: Five hundred bucks, exclusive of sales tax, fifty years later... How was demand determined? I'm a certified newbie. I'm all ears 👂. Anyone? Demands ? Won’t change the “smart collectors” know not to shell out $500 for a basic 1964 Kennedy half dollar . If you look back at Morgan dollars there several morgans with wacky labels they came from a “so called hoard” they aren’t even worth more than a Morgan with a “Plain Jane” label and grade . Collecting about being smart not dumb with a pocket full of cash to waste on wasteful buying … seems like in market we have some so called believers there will be a market for wacky labels and plastic slabs . They ain’t different than the PCGS cult followers and preachers who pass out the “mind controlling kool-aid” to the newer collectors getting into the collecting hobby Mohawk and Quintus Arrius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bill347 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 First thing you learn is do not buy anything from the “coin guy” or RCTV, or Etsy, or HSN, they are all rip offs, they buy TONS of coins, bulk grade them and sell them for huge profits! Especially anything on Facebook, No different than those that buy mint limited issues and turn right around a sell the guarantee for a future minting at triple the cost. I hate these guys. I would purchase from any ANA dealer ten times as fast as I would these guys. Example bought a nice 2009 ASE proof for $40 from an ANA dealer in Tennessee last month. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numisport Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 11:25 AM, Mr.Bill347 said: First thing you learn is do not buy anything from the “coin guy” or RCTV, or Etsy, or HSN, they are all rip offs, they buy TONS of coins, bulk grade them and sell them for huge profits! Especially anything on Facebook, No different than those that buy mint limited issues and turn right around a sell the guarantee for a future minting at triple the cost. I hate these guys. I would purchase from any ANA dealer ten times as fast as I would these guys. Example bought a nice 2009 ASE proof for $40 from an ANA dealer in Tennessee last month. Really what kind of dealer would sell you a fake 2009 Proof ASE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 1:19 PM, numisport said: Really what kind of dealer would sell you a fake 2009 Proof ASE ? We all seen the dealers on tv trying to sell a gold coin when we know it’s more like “gold plated” a worthless coin only meant for a collector to put in a small glass box on his table as a reminder how his beloved wife got ripped off by a TV coin dealer trying to impress him with a so called “if its to good to be true it must be deal” … there are fakes floating around everywhere even on bourse floor at coin show not all dealers are skillful at spotting fakes they are human just like me and you (although we share in common we hate fakes !) don’t laugh I once got stopped outside a pawn shop after I was snooping around for coins back in 2009-2010 I didn’t buy anything that day but I was stopped while walking down sidewalk from the pen shop by a hustler trying to sell me gold buffalos that were looked to be gold plated they looked so bad ! He was asking for $1,100 each . Even a blind man could of seen they were fake knock offs with a plating job ! I told him sell them in the pawn shop see what owner says . He gave me a dirty look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 3:24 PM, Quintus Arrius said: I guess I am very gullible. I personally have no problem the submitter met the burden of proof required for certification with a chain of documentary tangible evidence: Official U.S.M. canvas bags, intact seals, and tags date-stamped, with a videotaped unveiling with at least two eyewitnesses. I am sure the "evidence" was retained to assert the claim made by a top TPGS, but if not, what do you feel is lacking? HE wasn’t present and he hasn’t seen a sheet on it in some NARA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.jaguars Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Actually, Danny Carr has overstruck some 2009 Eagles as "proofs" and they sell somewhere around 120 and above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 2:53 PM, 7.jaguars said: Actually, Danny Carr has overstruck some 2009 Eagles as "proofs" and they sell somewhere around 120 and above... Oh yeah...he did, didn't he.....they're selling for that much though?! WOW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.jaguars Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 I think three different types, might sell for more than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...