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not especially rare, it is a documented variety in the bust halves (O-105?).....others similar dated 1808,10,12 to lesser degrees ......some early coppers have same effects......

d*** it stuart, i said u could borrow it, didnt say u could sell it....

jack webb didnt have time for any that poofy stuff......

...just the facts, mam......

obviously not unique....prob not rare, poss scarce....reasonable to assume low hundreds??....there were (9) certified in that submission lot with identical error n grade.....2148532-001 thru 2148532-009 all same die crack same grade, possibly others in same submission with higher grade or lower grades, time consuming to search but doable, doubtful that ngc retains that info in a compiled data base but obviously it exists on a one coin cert number at a time basis......

lets see...(1) 1933 $20 SG worth more than (117,448,888) 20 Franc french roosters.....yep much ado bout nothing.....i think id go with the 1933 SG.....

maybe maybe not but try to convince the potential buyer of that.....also the number of pcgs coins verse the number of ngc coins with cac stickers is based solely on how many of each r submitted n how many of each meet the criteria, if ur point is that more pcgs coins meet the criteria than ngc coins then thats an arguable point...my personal experience is that more pcgs coins dont meet the cac criteria, i almost without exception cross over all my US coin purchases to ngc before submitting to cac....one additional thing to consider, virtually all of the major auction houses have their higher level collections reviewed for cac criteria before the collections r cataloged, read into that whatever u wish...

this topic discussed several times....there is no federal law against making jewelry out of US coins.....moot point....

thoreson numismatics in turlock has good reviews ...no personal experience

im beginning to see the light, smelling the roses n not quite ready to drink the kool-aid....it seems like only yesterday that certain members of our esteemed congress were blaming the methane problems on the cows, the receding ice caps n rising oceans on coal n wood burning stoves in appalachia, the forest fires in calf on gasoline car drivers in texas, fla, ohio n various other non-blue states....n here all along it seems the problems were actually an over accumulation of bullc***p in various govt buildings, over population in non-ice cities, escape of energy at the bureau of printing from excess production of greenbacks n the possibility of a secret possum farm in eastern kentucky....rumor has it that a couple representatives from the philadelphia area r going to propose the issuing of a commemorative dime denoting the relocation of VKurt to roll-tide country proceeds to go towards the reduction of fossil fuel emissions on mars....our forseeable problems have been solved....n a new collectible series from the US mint on the horizon...what more could we ask for...

except at coin auctions n then its everyman/woman for him/herself....

hoghead, u can disregard the above...hes babbling on again...

vg-10

maybe....but i dont consider those buyers collectors in the true sense of the term, they r simply investors n speculators...personally dont think they truly add anything of value to the hobby, of course they supply the fodder that keeps the business aspect of numismatics running....guess it all comes down to why the individual is buying the coins in the first place....

yeppers.....many , many diff reasons to buy coins n equally many, many diff reasons to certify/grade them....authenication, concensus grading, historical documentation, registry inclusion, security, uniformity of display n many more...none of which have anything to do with selling price....totally agree with ur assessment bout "eye appeal" or the beauty of certain coins, afterall some r miniature works of art or mini sculptures....i.e. some of the italian issues of emanuelle III easily rival our own mercury dimes, liberty walking halves, liberty standing quarters, double eagle saints in their beauty n artistry, i personally find the italian 1908 1 lira in gem state far more artistic n appealing than the 1908 saint double eagle, but to each his own..... '

hoghead....its a 45,000 year cycle, if u live long enuf u will be able to hear the glaciers creaking by there in ole kaintuck, by then the liberals will be passing laws to mandate everyone has to burn so many gallons of petroleum products per day n u will have to increase ur carbon footprint by 1% per year, that is if there are any liberals left, if not perhaps we can commission a commemorative half dollar on their passing....

the selling price or monetary value of a coin isnt the only or most likely reason for having a coin certified/graded....most coins are not purchased in the first place based on their selling price....

more closely associated with p.t. barnum....he would have made a good spokesman for the u.s. mint....

unfortunately the number has been disconnected....ms blackman is no longer with us she passed at age 94...incidentally she was 8 years old when ur precious '33 saints were minted, personally id give her a PR70 rating...rip

definitely did not leave the mint looking like that....

trust me...its a bad idea, in this counter culture, woke, political correct, revisionist environment the design and/or person(s) that would appear on the coin would not be any of our nations heros that helped establish our country...their memorials r being torn down as we speak....its better to have nothing than something envisioned by the persons who currently would make that decision...

u should be more clear about whatever it is u r trying to point out, creating fake photos doesnt lend any credibility to ur efforts, rather it diminishes them....if ur orig point was that there r fake morgans out there...yes they have been out there literally for decades by the thousands, as accurately pointed out by markfeld....n then u threw in something bout the increased interest in silver into the discussion to further confuse ur point...the increase in silver price has little to nothing to do with the counterfeiting of the morgans, but creating fake photos to illustrate ur points will turn off almost every reader on the forum....there r a couple that mite think thats a good idea but no one gives them any credibility anyway.....

hmmm...ngc return label from a non-encapsulated coin superimposed on an encapsulated dollar of a different date.....really proves ur point since it was a non-point to start with...i guess?

no too many mint state ones out there, could buy an already graded one for what cost u to ship grade n return plus fees....this particular issue needs almost flawless fields around the church to get into the money....id keep as is....

hi bids in n of itself is not an auction house...it is a bidding platform similar to proxibid n invaluable....any one of thousands of individual auctions houses or auctioneers if they have the necessary audio/visual setups to access the hi bids platform can utilize the service with a contract with hi bids....u r basically dealing with the individual firms using the system n each should be evaluated on their own merits...this arrangement is not dissimilar to how ebay works....