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no one ever said that an ngc 65 n an pcgs 65 r the same or equal....i seriously doubt the dealer with a ngc 65 non-cac is going sell his coin for 64 money...the 65 with cac prob will bring 65+ money....in this instance the cac coin prob does appear to be the superior coin, could just as easy be the other way around...not all 65 coins r equal, hence the A,B,C tiers, whether we agree or not....

collectors normally buy something cause they like it, want it, need it or combination of all three...prob decide based on their mind, heart n ego...nothing wrong with any of those reasons...striving for the best n truly enjoying the journey, paradise...being obsessed by it, not so much...buying a coin just because of the label, a journey without a lasting satisfaction...buying a coin thats the finest, satisfaction u can live with until u dont want it or need it anymore...the good old days, pre-certification, pure collecting just for the satisfaction...those days r gone forever n now u try to find that satisfaction with a certification measuring stick, not as much fun but it is what it is....

absolutely...totally irrelevant n unimportant to any discussions here....

99% of the readers on this or any other forum still dont fully understand just what a cac green bean signifies on a slab...it does not add nor subtract from the grade on the slab, it has no influence on the grade on the slab, it almost certainly adds to the perception that that particular coin could possibly be a higher grade if not now in the future but that is not the intent of the bean...it simply put, indicates that that particular coin in that date n in that grade is in the top X% of all coins in that date n that grade that has been submitted to cac for evaluation, nothing more...obviously eye appeal, lustre, original color, lack of distracting marks etc enter into the formula (all subjective)...it does not mean e.g. that a '92-s morgan in xf45 is competing against a '93-s morgan in xf45, it means a '92-s morgan in xf45 is competing against all other '92-s morgans in xf45 that have been submitted...obviously there has to be a sliding scale because all '92-s morgans have not been submitted yet, but at the time the coin was evaluated it was in the top X% of those submitted up until that time...thats all that it means...all the rest is people's interpretation of what they believe it means, mostly incorrect assumptions...gold beans would be another discussion.....

blue sometimes gray......no one really cares bout what u did for a living or what i did either....totally irrelevant to op's orig inquiry....i just dont have a compulsion to think im obligated to make negative condescending comments on everything i hear or read that i take exception to, especially when i dont know anything bout the person im referencing n in this case what his coin collection mite consist of, for all i know his 2k coins mite be worth multiples of ur 100k collection or mine as well...the examples i gave u r actual facts, ur comments were scenario based....all in all its a moot issue the op received the answer to his question n thats all he asked for in the first place, not an opinion on the quality of his coins...

definitely an unreasonable expectation in numismatics....

still assuming n still condescending but to each his own as far as opinions go....true 2k coins could cost $50k or more to certify, n most wouldnt go there but there r exceptions, as for having auction houses do the certifying at reduced fees thats only viable if one is going to sell ones collection....i chose to certify portions of my collection solely for reasons other than resale considerations, there is more to collecting than monetary considerations, sometimes its just pure ego, wanting to verify on a universal yardstick that one has the finest collection in the world for instance n sometimes it mite be just to display a certain collection in a certain manner, ive done both...n yes there r some collectors who do have complete runs of 19th century mint state coins, i have done that more than once myself n i know several others who have done the same...definitely not errors, moderns nor common coins...for example just look at one registry set of american 19th cent gold...the jlr louisiana purchase new orleans mint gold in all denominations, virtually complete in mint state...cost more to certify than most collectors collections r worth, n i am aware of several such collections...true most 2k+ coin accumulations most likely r common, modern or pocket change collections but not all....i personally could not nor would not certify all of my collection, but for varied reasons i have done so for portions of it, but not for resale considerations since i have no intentions of ever selling any of my collection...im sure qa n his rooster collection or lem n his super jefferson collection didnt consider the resale value of their collections when the decided to certify their coins, true they dont number in the 2k n their cert costs r minimal to the cost of their coins but their driving reasons to certify ill bet werent to enhance the resale value....no sense beating a dead horse, everyone has their own opinions n justifiably so....i guess if i collected 20th cent moderns n had 2k-100k coins i wouldnt consider certs either....but i certainly wouldnt assume that someone just mite want to do that...

correct the op ques was just to clarify definition of bulk submissions...vk response was very assumptive n condescending , first of all he nor any of us know anything bout the quality or scope of op collection, also simple matter for op to have already determined cost of certifying 2k coins, maybe he did maybe he didnt, prob correct that many/most collectors dont have 2k coins that warrant cost of certification, if that is a consideration of certification, maybe they just want their coins certified for any number of reasons, resale value isnt the only consideration...i for one had to make a decision back in the '80s did i want to spend the extra money to certify all or portions of my collections, personal decision, initial cost to me excess of $6k just to cert one collection...should i decide to cert all the rest would exceed 2k coins few times over, most of which would warrant the cost, again personal decision...if one has mostly modern non-rare coins cost to cert 2k coins prob prohibitive, if on other hand if collections r 19th cent mint state coins cost to cert not so prohibitive...either way no one here has the position of assumptively asserting that anyone else's collection either warrants or doesnt warrant certification....

op's ques was concerning display of oversized slabbed coins in album pages not bout grading or cross-grading....a prob encountered by others...sometimes littleton coin company n wizard coin supply has access to various size album pages but most these items r currently on back order or out of stock...some of the more sophisticated office supply stores can order custom made pages, i had a few custom pages made for slabbed oversized medallions not cheap but served my needs....

no....6.45 grams total weight 0.1867 troy oz gold = 5.807 grams so bout bit more than 1/6th oz gold

checked the chicken chicanery check engine checklist n it said fenntucky mike ate it all...

where is the chicken dinner?....

it could be the addition n removal of the outhouse but ill just go with the size of the star on the obverse....

there is true rarity n then there is condition rarity...i own both n i know which gives me the most satisfaction....the former seldom changes n the latter can change on a whiff....how many eggs should one put in one basket?....

is that also true for Second Engraver (John Reich).......

so assistant engraver equates to acting engraver?....

taking that one step further...im sure there were n are top-notch collectors who felt the same way bout getting their whitman/dansco/raymond album coins certified back in the 1980s or now....u either do it or u dont....personal choice...

that currently be stuart w.......

that is stuart's coin.....

just couldnt resist...just put in some ............when u r changing time zones, time warping, universe jumping or changing thought trains....i usually pick up on those...

guess u could do two registry sets....one competitive n one custom non-competitive....

i always knew u were from a parallel universe....so in '63 u had the web, ebay, paypal, tpgs, slabs, set registries?....did u know al gore as well?...did u get out of hospital in time to go see the mona lisa in wash dc, or go see dr. no at theatre, did u stand in line to get ur zip code, ...yea i didnt get to do any those things either....small world...

and here i thought low mintage meant single digits....who knew?

..."he plays the game of life with a smiling face, but with his cards close to his vest buttons...." william allen white, mclure's magazine, vol 26, number 2, pg 125.....origin 1905 "i ain't a sayin' , pardner, that it ain't all fer the best...though some of us ain't natural without cards close to the vest....paraphrased, williams arizona news, april 6, 1907... now we all know, n doesnt have damn thing to do with coins.....