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ur beliefs r well grounded....as far as i recall when i last did any research on this topic....there were only (9) morgan dollars graded ms69 n (0) graded ms70 as for the peace dollars (0) in both grades....not aware of any recently reaching either grade....

chicken dinner....

currently if r status tracking says ur package is still in transit then it is still in usps hands, when it arrives at ngc zip code ur usps status update will say arrived at that zip code n then if u request in ur tracking request it will show when available for pick up, thats when it transfers from usps to ngc, then it could take days to be opened n listed on ur submission status tracking at ngc....once u see available for pick up u can basically relax n when u see received on ngc staus u know its in the system....for example i talked to ngc today n they were just opening mail they received on 7 april today.....

yep he did set of patterns on dime quarter half, there a set in the smithsonian collection...

there u go again perpetuating false rumors again that r not substantiated , u just cant leave that bone alone....

very thoughtful n insightful responses all...so far no name calling, spitefulness, baiting, trolling, ego boosting replies, a pleasant respite, just a sharing of honest thoughts on a communal hobby, refreshing, a commendable thread....seems like a recurring thread within the thread is the historical aspect of the coins themselves, realistically one of the underlying reasons of collecting is to impart ourselves onto the history of the coin or even the other way around, being a part of or owning a part of that coins history, all good things... why do i collect?.....its a quest....

read ur entire thread on this radium question....just couple questions to clarify, is the watch chain in ur photo attached to the watch ur gfather received? does the watch he received have luminous numerals on the dial? if not the watch chain was prob purchased separately n has nothing to do with his watch, if yes then the small hallmarked link just signifies that radium was used on the dial...highly doubtful that the link is actually made of radium but anything possible?...if watch face has luminous numerals, not a real concern anyway....by the way the rest of the markings on the link are GJ not numbers, if u look on a site called catawiki.com u will see numerous watch chains with the same link etc, most appear to be circa 1900...im just assuming it was a marketing item associated with the watches, doesnt really make much sense to have the link made of radium, but who knows....

learning the history n enjoying the coins....agree with u both there, thats what makes the hobby what it is, that n the challenge of assembling something or trying to complete something...provides an escape from everyday life....as for owning the coins, do we ever own anything really?...id say we r just caretakers n custodians....

unfortunately for hoghead hes more or less in a numismatic wasteland, almost nothing as far as decent coin shows close to him....as u mentioned a few one day local club shows, maybe 20 dealers or so, even the bigger cities near him, cincy, memphis, nashville etc the shows r very small sometimes 30-40 dealers...there r a scant few like pittsburg, columbus oh where sometimes 80-100 dealers but long drive to n fro for him....yea the big shows, fun, ana, baltimore, nyc, chicago, colo sprgs would be great for him, u just have to spend so much money on getting there, staying there that eats up all ur coin money....maybe one these days the ana show will be close to one his new cat fishing bffs he has met here on the forum n he can score some coins n flatheads all in one trip....the one silver lining is even those small one day shows will prob have the areas that he collects, wash qrts, buff nickels etc, those r at almost all shows ......

somethings just r not for sale....just as there is buyers remorse there is sellers remorse....the former u can recover from the latter maybe not.....

there i was at the cincinnati zoo just loafin' round with hoghead n he saw that '94-s barber dime just laying there in the lion pit n jumped over the wall n scored that souvenir, n i can just hear him telling his grankids how he got that coin n lost his arm all at the same time....or was it the poisonous snake pit?.....maybe was the chipmunk cage?....

thats life...

no misconstruction at all....just a discussion of philosophies...i do not feel any obligation to sell any item out of any of my collections at any time, certainly not for the reason just so someone else can own it for their collection, if other collectors have done so thats their choice...personally im not into the publicity nor notoriety that accompanies the sale of rarities, let the best man/woman win...nor does it bother me if a non-collector buys a rarity, regardless of who buys what for whatever reason that item is off the market till the new owner decides they dont want it anymore...as previously mentioned, i have bought n still own coins from collections ( eliasberg, garrett, norweb, atwater, brand, hawn, menjou, dupont, bareford, merkin, cox, blauvelt, miles, bass et al ) n have no intention of ever selling them, some were off the market for up to 85 years before i bought them n some i have owned since the late '70s, they have to be somewhere mite as well be in my collection, fortunately two of my six children collect coins as well, guess which kids will inherit my coins?...the point being, regardless of who owns the coins the coins r not diminished, their rarity survives...thats not to say that i believe rare coins should be secreted away in vaults never to be seen again, i have on numerous occasions displayed portions of my collections at club, regional n national coin displays, i have even donated items to collections ( ana, smithsonian ) , items that were better suited for public displays etc....im not sure u fully understand my opinions on this based on ur areas of numismatic interests, saints (few collectors) n morgans ( no true rarities) , but if u ever venture into series where true rarities abound u mite see things a bit differently...sure there will be excitement when stuart's '33 sells, for a short while, but it wont impact numismatics whether a collector or a non-collector buys it....for now we can just agree to disagree, im sure there r other aspects of collecting that we do agree upon....

i dont see any problems with limited owners nor infrequent appearances......nice?....i for one never considered nice as any part of my reasons for entering numismatics or for assembling any of my collections....sharing information is one thing, sharing coins is quite another....if my family happens to keep certain coins off the market for 100+ years so be it....the coin still exists its rarity still intact.....every owner has to make his/her own determinations.....virtually every truly great american collection in the past century was broken up by a descendant of the original collector....obviously those descendants didnt possess the same fervor as their ancestor did.....

couple observations n a question......yes the interest in key dates in other series,18th/19th century, exists, just not the notoriety nor the astronomical prices, with a few exceptions....as for the rarity of key dates in the 20th/21st century coins u mention, none r truly rare....u refer to this situation as a "problem".....wherein is the problem?...i dont see a problem if a rare coin is off the market for decades or is owned only by a few owners in its existence, so what?...i own key dates i bought 50+ years ago n have no intention of selling n hope my descendants feel the same way...who is to say those coins should go to another collection ever?....in many of the 19th century series, some coins r truly rare, 5 or less known (my definition of rarity) n some r "conditional rarities" n some become "appearance rarities"...it really becomes interesting when those terms describe the same coin....

mostly agree with ur assessments....'07uhr has more status than the '27-d, hence the eccentric non-collector buyers...plus very few saint collectors trying put together high grade complete registry sets....agree if had been 5-10 '33s on market stuart would not have bought one....but dont discount the true coin collectors that also like to buy unique or nearly unique items...i.e. confederate half dollars....i myself have owned some less than 5 known u.s. coins in areas i didnt collect, just to own them....

my initial response was to ur article from coinweek.....to clarify....i was just saying that the coinweek article on '07 ehr pattern pedigrees went hand in hand with tripps earlier article on '33 de pedigrees....similar type articles on de pedigrees....sort of nice to keep track of who owns what, like tracking '04 dollars or '13 nickels....i also made a reference to the fact that tripp had conducted some research into the background on both the '07 ehr n '33 de, hence small world....in addition i gave u the ref location on the previously discussed source on the edge lettering orientation in the uspattern.com article....multiple subjects in the weeds i guess, but in ur de area of interest.....

not accurate....see my notes to u on the uspatterns.com reference....u will see he also did research on the '07 ehr double eagles etc....so he at least a two trick pony.....my ref to u was on the uspattern article n the more recent '33 de article not the coinweek article u linked with....just saying the two de articles on the '33 n '07 ehr pedigrees sort of go hand in hand n both had association with tripp at one time or another....as said small world, this coin collecting wading pool....

just so long as ur pants dont catch on fire u be ok....

i only have one finger n its really hard to hit the shift tab with my elbow.....

true, interesting article....sort of a who's who of the '07 uhr double eagles similar to the companion article by david tripp on the who's who of the '33 double eagles....if u want bit more early info on research of the uhr '07s u can go to....uspatterns.com n search mcmvii ehr double eagles, u will find an article thats sort of a follow on to previous research by "numismatist david tripp" on the ehr '07s....if u go to sub-section "secret business" n go to the last paragraph u will find the info on edge lettering etc....however it could be just gobble as i was informed earlier??....small world this rare coin history stuff....

liberties were reeded...saints had starred edges....

fyi.....even though bit off thread...cac stickers coins in all grades, from po-01 to pf-70 not just mint state.....

he meant male bison......

not sure bout rwb's more recent books i dont own any....ron guth referenced his 2006 "deciphering the mystery of the mcmvii extremely high refief double eagles" never read that either, my comments were from subsequent article written by guth in the pcgs.com archives....saint $20s not my area of interest, i prefer his $10s n the liberty series of gold....good luck...