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many of the best rifles in the world n their associated scopes or fixed sights r calibrated in metres (meters) versus yards...from personal experience almost all i have used were in metres with a few exceptions on US sniper rifles which still adhere to yards....

from my personal experience, based on successful cross-over results...80% of the time when trying to cross-over foreign pcgs coins to ngc the coins r either returned if the same grade is requested or downgraded if no grade is specified...it is obviously one of two things r occurring, either pcgs standards r sub-par to ngc standards or ngc has a bias towards pcgs grading...i believe it is the former...i personally do not submit any coins to pcgs for grading n try to not purchase any of the coins i deem essential if in pcgs holders if the coin is destined to my registry sets...if the coin is not registry material n i am only concerned about authenticity then either tpg is satisfactory...if the coin is critical to my needs n is in a pcgs holder, i then buy it n remove it from its pcgs holder n submit to ngc raw....this works for my needs with minimal submission frustration, it may or may not work for urs.....

set up a time-frame window to place orders, 10-20-30 days, whatever...open to individuals, dealers, wholesalers, distributors, whomever...establish demand...mint demand plus 10%-20% for future collectors...eliminate immediate speculation, price gouging, massive complaints(except distributors)...everyone that wants one gets one,some speculation remains due to future collectors, minimal storage issue for the surplus, mint makes same amount of money...nclt issues werent intended to create speculation frenzy or cash cows for just a few at expense of many ???...

heres another..... "score....sharann 1 - vkurt 0 " poor richard...

yep...wanted the turkey for the national emblem...

it is what it is....but personally, im just going to wait until the 1821 dollar comes out...

true...my comment said same extent, didnt try to quantify reactiveness or time lapse just that placing in the atmosphere without outside contaminants they both will eventually oxidize, copper turn fully brown n silver fully black, in getting there both will go thru various toning aspects with colors, obviously they both will accelerate from the sulfur content naturally occurring in our atmosphere, since copper higher on the relative reactive oxidation scale than silver it will oxidize much faster i.e. lose its electrons faster n form the ionic bonding in a more reactive nature...end result for both, full surface oxidation...numismatically, full red better than full brown...blazing white better than full black, its the transitional color phases than precipitate all the discussions...guess we can agree to agree in principal...

copper coins n silver coins will both "naturally" tone (oxidize) to the same extent over some period of time without any assistance or need of external substances, exposure to our atmosphere is sufficient...proximity to external contaminants paper, wood, chemicals et al just accelerate the process....gold to a much lesser extent, minimally noticeable but still there...platinum coins almost none at all....

my father never collected coins, received coins directly from my grandfather...father was coal miner as well, both he n grandfather worked in mining 50 plus years each, he outlived grandfather by 10 plus years, grandfather had "black lung disease" as called then but died from heart failure....neither owned any gold coins at time of their deaths....guess my kids will do better upon mine.....

no words necessary......

reflections from conversations with my grandfather (1898-1983), lifelong coal miner, wages during the 1920s-1930s, 50 cents/per day to $3.50/per day (ironically received $5 per day when playing for the mining company baseball team)...saw gold coins up to $20, seldom had occasions to use them, usually only received as gifts or during major transactions i.e. selling a piece of land or timber etc n then quickly converted to smaller denominations as most rural merchants couldnt make change etc...non-utilitarian in most of rural america...owned no gold coins at time of his death but had numerous whitman holders with coins from circulation...

all toning is "aided" whether natural or artificial....the question to the collector is..."was the toning intentionally accelerated by human intervention?"...to the coin at hand it is certainly bold and attractive, i personally would not buy this coin at a premium due to the higher chance that it is artificial rather than natural, but 100% determination is an inexact science...

its called collecting...

guess could add the stone mountain commemorative half with ala counterstamp, bit pricey though...

our definitions of hoards coincide...read into that what u will...

entire exchange of comments was in response to goldfinger's expression bout obligations on hoard discoveries...nothing more nothing less....life is short, bigger fish to fry or other roosters to roast....the guillotine spareth thee...

magna res...

deflection again....subject wasnt bout disclosure on coins being sold, subject bout making public from whom bought n whom sold to n prices paid/realized n privy info on where hoards came from....no legal r ethical issues involved...

...several observations n comments, try to be succinct...no obligations period, legal or otherwise...the "story" has nothing to do with the coin(s) themselves, its just cream on top, nice to have...certainly not crucial in any sense of the word...not divulging sources has nothing to do with anyone's professionalism, its discretionary pure n simple...has nothing to do with trade, profits, finances, mark-ups etc...its simply a choice, sometimes entwined with other considerations such as privacy or confidentiality...not everyone needs to know where everything comes from, some items or discoveries r transacted in strict non-disclosure terms...i have bought items where the transaction was contingent on not revealing the source, either honor the terms or not buy...sure pedigrees on coins r great, own a few such coins myself, not crucial, just cream....pedigrees from public auctions just that public info, pedigrees from private sales not public if so desired...i fully support the historical n research aspect of numismatics, makes it more relevant n interesting, spent a few thousand hours at the national archives myself doing research, have published articles on coins as well, but never believed anyone has an obligation to provide any more info on their coins or discoveries than they wanted to...e.g. one individual on this forum constantly bemoans that a certain historical dealer destroyed all his records rather than make them public, i knew this dealer n actually had a discussion on same subject when i requested some historical info on certain coins, some i was provided some not...in this situation the privacy of various sellers n buyers n other financial considerations far outweighed any nice historical aspects of the records, i fully support that decision...rwb's book has some hoard info, interesting, personally i prefer tripp's research on certain pedigrees, bower's book has even more hoard info....im personally aware of several mini-hoards, one in ur collecting wheelhouse, but i have no obligations to reveal that info to anyone, the owner's privacy n the confidentiality we share far more important than any revelations on making the info public...as u r personally aware, i am not opposed to sharing of information if its pertinent to providing accuracy i.e. the previous info i shared with u on a certain issue, which was private n which u honored...i have likewise provided some personal insight to qa on mini-hoard info on his beloved roosters, nothing earthshaking but info i preferred it directed to him n not on the open forum...personal choice, right or wrong....so while i support ur enthusiasm for the rest of the numismatic story i take exception to the position that numismatists r obligated to divulge their source info if they choose not to....none of this has anything to do with the actual coins that we collect, they dont know where they came from...not as succinct as i wished...

...no clue bout anything u mentioned, none of it has anything to do with my comment, ur ref to misrepresentations, errors etc totally irrelevant to my comment....wasnt even directed at any of ur episodes...my statement in response to goldfinger thinking numismatists et al have an obligation to provide details on the sources of material they find, locate, discover, sell etc....

i guess bout the same as two oxen turning a mill then...

what was ur carbon foot print?....

thats cool, at first i thought it mite be hoghead himself pre-beard, but realized it is good ole dan'l boone himself, the guenther brothers founded blue grass canning co. circa 1895....great local history item...

...where does it say that numismatists, or anyone else, has an obligation to give out any details to anybody???...

in hind site perhaps using X% to differentiate between best, better, good was a bit confusing, tiers a,b,c serves the same purpose to illustrate the point being made....after all tiers a,b,c represent a certain %age of the coins in that date n grade even if that %age is adjusted after each coin evaluated...my narrative was generally based on a conversation i had with ja years ago when he then used the word % to clarify a question i had asked...im sure their metrics have had some revisions n terminology changes since then.....