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occasionally, ncs n ngc dont get their billing data together, coins sent to ncs get processed n forwarded to grading n certification n the ncs charges show up as long as two months later, in my experiences with this they have just added to my next submission charges n not billed me separately, but i often have several submissions pending at the same time, still unfortunate for those not expecting the charges....

thank u ColonialCoinsUK im assuming u looked at my registry sets ....the various voids i own, but just not nice enuf yet n by leaving out makes easier for me to check what im upgrading rather than go by memory, not what it used to be...i used to collect almost everything irish...at one time had a complete set of irish farthings hiberno-norse to decimal, but sold it years ago to my friend, patrick finn before his untimely death, all except the siege farthings, they r in a custom set...never attempted the ormonde issues, was never knowledgable enuf bout those...never did tokens just too many of those...ditto currency...i decided back in 1977 couldnt collect it all n would just put my time effort n resources into the milled coinage of free state n republic, life long project as it turned out, most of the denomination sets r finest knowns...some of the free state issues r prohibitive to find as im sure u r aware....'43 florin has eluded me, neither of the two mint state examples have come on the market that im aware of, foolishly passed on a nice xf coin bout 25 years ago, have decided not to buy heavily damaged examples n do without rather than compromise...not very frequent do i get a chance any more to add to my sets, may have to expand my horizons a bit, did start buying free state proofs a few years back but not completeable as far as i can determine, n usually prohibitively priced...but challenges r good for the mind n soul.....

impressive n im not easily impressed....irish copper n bronze r very difficult to find pristine, partly due to the corrosive ocean salt environment that used to permeate everything, also there were few true irish collectors for many decades and preservation standards were a bit lax...yes i too am a devoted ireland coin collector...one of my most favorite areas of collecting....challenging n so many rare dates....missing one coin in my free state n republic collections.....again congrats on ur upgrade....

truly unfortunate, but yes have had it happen to me twice before....once for additional fees due to correction of tier n another time because submission was shipped back in two segments because i didnt know how to mark the submission form correctly to have all coins returned together....id definitely call n make sure that their correction n additional charges were warranted.....

im going guess its a 65....because u said this eagle has hair......

...interesting questions in an equally interesting area of US coinage, deserving of some interesting numismatic discussion rather than the normal baiting trolling n posturing that usually shows up here, most of the threads deteriorate rapidly into ego massaging n back patting or philosophical one upmanship or stupid attempts at humor.... but to add to ur questions...branch mint proofs (pre-1900) r a very specific area of collecting in a very shallow pool of collectors n almost always expensive n with very few examples known, most of the referenced issues in the ngc article most likely wouldnt meet strict current day definitions of proof issues, but due to their exceptional strikes surfaces n eye appeal r not the same as their normal every day circulation business strike cousins n therefore have received proof attributions, they r superior coins n do deserve some degree of status, perhaps special strikes or specimen strikes would be more accurate, but they r what they r n if attributed as proofs will probably remain that way... ...generally speaking, proof coinage is produced with specially prepared dies on specially prepared planchets n struck multiple strikes with additional pressure, doubtful that any of the 19th century branch mints could meet those conditions, however, there is ample evidence that specially prepared coins were struck at the branch mints for various reasons...presentations, commemorations etc etc....those coins deserve to be segregated n attributed as special, proof just probably isnt the most accurate numismatic word to describe them....specimen or presentation strikes probably more appropriate....the term proof wasnt actually used to describe coins early in the 19th century but as with most everything else attributions evolve n have a life of their own....in reality no one person can establish themselves as the definer of what is n what isnt, the numismatic collecting community will determine that for themselves...dont look for attrubuted branch mint proofs to be reclassified by collectors, tpg or auction firms anytime in the near future... as far as reference books on the subject, there arent any really nor will there be, just maybe chapters in broader subject books....too expensive to generate n publish a book on such a narrow subject area n only a few buyers of said book... ur '97-S PL is just that, very nice coin, but if u should compare it side by side with a '97 proof from the P mint u will see the differences.....again interesting area for discussion....

....custom registry sets, at least from my personal experience, are mostly like the proverbial government mule or forgotten stepchild, seldom visited and even less appreciated.....i know mine are rarely viewed, most of the views are my own....sort of out of sight out of mind....for the most part custom sets are for your own satisfaction and pleasure....they do provide great reference sources if they are well done and well documented....it mostly comes down to subject matter, if its something where there is decent interest you get decent visitation if its a very shallow interest community then shallow visitation and appreciation....

...guess it depends on whether u r talking about the collector or the collection, so in its own way u both could be correct...

...would appear to be result of a planchet flaw....

...thank u......

...since my previous inquiry, after two weeks, still reflects pending approval??...apparently the subject matter of inquiry was not appreciated re length of time taking to process coins...ill try again n be more specific...why would a submission still reflect just received status after being there for three weeks??...obviously the mail was opened because the number of coins is annotated...would appreciate an answer and not another pending approval, its a fair question...

...amen GM....

...according to my old half dime research n notes there were 78 obverse dies n 80 reverse dies for the '53 WA half dime...so u can do the math n see there could be literally dozens if not hundreds of diff die pairings...crains photos show several recut dates, at least one overdate n a few that could be mpd but r a bit too low grade n toned to determine if close to ur obverse die...as mentioned by several others on this thread urs is a very decent example of this date and interesting with the repunching or recutting at the rock base, the reverse appears to be consistent with several of the known clashed dies...n obviously could be a diff die pairing than the one u referenced in ur initial posting...

not from my present location....just go online n search LSCC or Gobrecht Journal....or e-gobrecht archives.....as mentioned from photos im more inclined to think ur coin is instance of clashed dies vs die crack, but cant be sure....still think it may be one of crain reference coins as well...

...to partially answer ur inquiry....yes almost anything is possible in the various die pairings of all of the liberty seated series, the half dime series is replete with literally dozens of die pairings especially in the more common n high mintage years, 1853 is one of those years...ur obverse die could easily have been paired with several diff reverse dies n the reverse could have been paired with several diff obverse dies...there r several excellent resources for ur inquiry...u mite choose to visit the LSCC web site n explore the various links to multiple half dime resources including the e-Golbrecht journal archive links...one point I mite make is although ur photo isn't exactly clear the reverse die break u mention may not be a die break, its possible its the raised impression created by classed dies which gives the reverses the appearances of die breaks when in fact they r clash marks, the mark on ur coin is in the correct position for this to be the case...half dimes r very noticeable due to their small sizes to clashed die impressions...the neuman portal also has numerous photos of half dime pairings...ur specific coin looks very similar to one of the reference coins in the crain collection n could be the same coin...its been a few decades since I last assembled my three sets of half dimes, n my reference notes r not readily available, im sorry I cant give u a more exact answer to ur specific die pairing but my personal resources r not at hand but the LSCC site will get u there...

...they already did that bout 300 years ago at sommer islands...bit pricey though...but very small collection few coins to buy...

....based on ur collecting goals, best means to accomplish buying most of the coins u need to fill multiple holes in ur various series all at one time or in a few number of attempts would wait a bit till this virus passes n restrictions ease n then go to a few decent size coin shows where u can buy several lower grade coins from dealers n have no extra fees or shipping costs, I see u r from ohio, there r numerous smaller coin shows some monthly in ohio n a few larger ones in Columbus during the year, many dealers will have albums with literally pages of these lower grade circ coins for u to choose from...buying one ebay one coin at a time will prob double ur costs with shipping on lower cost coins...most of the major auction houses usually don't list very low dollar coins...auctionzip.com will give u various sources of coin estate sales in ur local area...buying a rarer date coin is better than buying lots of common date coins if ur goal is investment orientated, the '09 -s vdb is not a good investment coin however, if u r wanting to collect within ur budget, join one of the various coin clubs or organizations n seek out advice from various collectors who know the local ropes...happy collecting, filling holes is rewarding except for potholes...

...sad...

....most likely due to uneven or weak striking on that area of the planchet as opposed to wear...perhaps one of the early copper collectors can provide more information on this particular die pairing...

...easiest n best resource to answer ur concerns would be vamworld....it has excellent diagnostic photos of the known die pairings for the '89-cc dollar...from ur photos it would seem the obverse dentils n the reverse cc mint mark r suspect....

...evolved from a question to a lecture, sort of self defeating as far as having an open discussion...if these modern commens r being minted, encapsulated, graded n sold worldwide it seems like the market u envision is already established, most items being graded already have a pricing guide established, would seem the market itself will determine whether there is a viable market for such items for any generation...its very doubtful that most of the modern production of medals, commens, medalettes, tokens or rounds will find their way into the numismatic mainstream since they r simply not coins nor legal circulating tender...there r already established forums, fraternities n auctions for these nclt items, usually referred to as exonumia with accompanying prices realized available...as a side note, medals encompass more than just rewards for merit, as evidenced by the well established token and medal society n their publications...this thread for whatever reasons it was started, seems akin to pushing a very large rock up a very steep hill in very bad weather...

...ur question probably has no answer that is up to ur expectations...what u r asking is akin to walking thru a parking lot n wanting to know the causes of dents, scratches, scrapes etc on the cars fenders...post minting marks on coins r normally caused by either use or abuse, use is normal wear from day to day circulation n appears as very uniform n unobtrusive generally speaking, abuse can come from almost anything n can be moderate to excessive but would be obtrusive to the eye...to generalize just a portion of ur question, bag marks usually appear as random marks that r indicative of coins hitting each other n r normally small n short in length...harsh manual cleaning as on ur trade dollar usually displays long repetitive often parallel scratches from abrasive powders or pads etc, other abuses often appear as dents, scrapes, scratches from contact with other items harder than the coin n most likely r longer in nature rather than just incidental contact marks...specifically to ur reference to knife cuts or graffiti cuts, usually these would exhibit deeper furrows n raised ridges where the metal was moved similar to a plow going thru dirt...there is no concise or totally comprehensive answer to ur question...

...go for it...im not aware that the subject matter is controversial in any way...its simply a discussion whether modern mint issues of nclt, medals, works of art etc will be accepted in mainstream numismatics or not n if the younger generations will ever be coin collectors n is there a way to facilitate either or both of those issues...I don't see anything objectionable about either subject, regardless of my personal views on the matter...the OP had a legitimate question n was asking for comments....

...jon, ur initial question is a fair one...I would think most coin collectors would agree that the future of the hobby rests with a continuing influx of new collectors, either young or old, young being preferential...ur assessment of how to entice millennials into the hobby may prove more difficult than just getting their attention to metallic discs of art...to date that generation has exhibited little desire to collect anything, they simply prefer to obtain one of something they like n not collect multiples of anything...that's not to say exploring the possibilities r without merit, chances of getting them to collect a set of morgans or lincolns, zero...chances of getting them to obtain more than one specimen of a medallic work of art, possible....but that wont necessarily translate into them becoming coin collectors...as to their being a reference or price guide for these modern issues, im guessing minimal value as most new buyers be buying for the art n not resale value...as for the responses u mite receive on this forum, prob not constructive...certain members will go on n on n on ad nauseam bout anything they don't like or agree with, totally closed to anything new, n don't collect anything numismatic themselves...as mentioned, ur question a fair one, just not sure if the modern commens will ever gravitate into the historical numismatic community or the persons who mite collect them...maybe some more insightful members can assist u more in exploring this approach...

...depending on grade and whether original uncleaned surfaces, ur 1892-s morgan could warrant certification, it is a semi-key date...common in lower grades but scarcer in higher grades, id say if a true xf-40 or higher and if uncleaned its worth the consideration of being certified....