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I am just sending a submission to NGC, including 4 Maundy sets. Given your experience I am pointing out to them that all of these 16 coins are part of a Maundy set for their respective years.

Im not sure that one order goes to the same grader. You would think so, but...? what is clear is that they are looked at one at a time without reference to anything else so there is no reference of one piece to another as part of a set.

What I am sending now will also include an as struck British 1717 6P , a virtually as struck British 1674 halfcrown and an English 1665 Pattern farthing. Since these are more valuable pieces,I am sending supporting documents for each one and am also underlining that each three pence in the Maundy Sets are Maundy and not currency 3P (the other three denominations in each set, silver 1,2 and 4P, were not minted as currency pieces). It can be very difficult to tell the difference as the design is the same. Maundies, especially in the late Victorian period and after, have much more of a proof like appearance than the currency pieces and that is the only difference I am aware of.

In my previous submission I sent an 1891 3P with a prooflike obverse and a non prooflike reverse. I made sure before it was graded that it be judged as a currency piece given the non prooflike reverse and had a dealer with 35 years experience in British to back me up. The obverse was either a Maundy die or a first strike with a very fresh die.

It came back OK but was being graded as a Maundy before I intervened. I found that out thru checking the receiving function when the coin was delivered.

For NGC this can be very hard as single Maundy coins can be submitted, not as part of a set. But they are supposed to be the experts. And they dont and cant know everything. Question for world coins is how much DO they know? So you give them the help that you can to minimize screwups like this before they happen.

To deal with this issue for British pieces I intend to send supporting material documents for coins and medals they may not be familiar with, for future submissions.

I don't think anymore that the people at NGC are the be all and end all for world coins.

Admittedly it is a vast area to have expertise in, dwarfing the US series , which despite its variety is nothing compared to 26 centuries of minting coins from thousands of jurisdictions.

For British coins anyway it would be good to consult at least with the Standard catelog. I know for a fact it is not, let alone having a Maundy set slabbed back to front which is clearly a sign of lack of knowledge or sloppiness.

Tough to get better than what you got, even if they were mounted incorrectly.

you might want to check out my Maundy Monarchs Registry set.

a couple of these sets were bought over 30 years ago from the Buddy Ebsen (Jed Clampett of the Beverly Hillbillies) Collection. They are a couple of the very few survivors of my first collection from college. There are now over 20 sets never submitted and others which are slabbed but not in the Registry Sets.

i really like Maundy Sets too as the origins of the annual Maundy ceremony is ancient.

they are of limited mintage as well, not like a lot of modern collectors Coins these days.

And by the way, that's a nice set .

there really should be a discount for submitting 4 coin Maundy Sets

It sounds to me as if you are owed an apology. Sloppy work at NGC. As you say it should not have happened in the first place.

Where did the King go?

Nothing  seems to be added to this page yet.

I have a policy using Hugh Wood as well.

Thanks. More coins to come.

Thats the thing. You DO buy the coin and not the holder. Having said that it is clear that grading standards in both NGC and PCGS have changed over time. 

ICCS in Canada has as well.

I am not British (Im Canadian) but the unmatched length of near unbroken history, the attention to design (not so much after Victoria) the technological firsts, the sheer beauty of many of the pieces as well as the fact that pieces of significant rarity can still be had for relatively affordable prices, especially compared to US , led me to collect them. I have a number of proof pieces with total mintages of 20-100. The 1730 proof farthing is an example. Can you imagine what a comparable FDC piece would set you back if it were US? Put a mortgage on your house.

I will see if I can improve the pics in the next couple of days to make the 1730 more clear.

Same to you. NGC should have and may have a section to help navigate the new setup,although I dont know for sure. if they do.

On the home page for NGC you will see "Resources" at the top of the page near the right hand side. Click that, and a whole bunch of choices come up including NGC Census. Click that for populations. I think there may be a further choice to make there between US and World. Hope that helps.

Im reading this and see a green follow sign at the top right to the screen. I havent used it.

I like the British pieces and the Roman! Some of the Roman Emperors were butt ugly.

Good picture. I will have a look at your collection.

Thats a worthwhile set to put together. there seems to be some nice Channel Island coins available on Ebay lately.

Thanks. I like the chase to try to get the best and like to share them.

Here is a 1699 specimen farthing in silver

Condor tokens were a reaction to the shortage of coinage produced by the Mint at the time. There was no silver coinage produced dated 1788 to the Emergency coinage of the Napoleonic Wars.

Atlas Numismatics, out of New York, has added a lot of Condor Tokens to their inventory. If you are interested you might want to have a look at what they have.

thanks for the complement on my piece. I was lucky to get something like that. Compare the cost of that to a comparable Us coin of the era. Different snack bracket for wsure.

Ive never heard of them or dealt with them but had a look at their website.

they are based in England and appear to deal with modern collector pieces of the world.

Good eye all right.

Good luck with the grading Chris B

I am close to finishing what I want to do in George III, just need a bull head halfcrown and a couple of copper pieces yet. I picked up a crown last year in 65 I did not plan on originally but could not resist the great design on it.

My collection overall has morphed into a milled type collection with a few date sets here and there. G3 copper is one area where Im collecting all the dates as the number of dates needed is low.

Here is an example of a 1775 farthing I have.

Despite the frequency of my posts I am relatively new to these journals so I dont understand the difficulty as when I go to Collectors Society and click Journals towards the top of the page I am here.

I think it is an improvement but takes a bit of getting used to. It is a little more flexible re posting images and all journals by an author are in one place.